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Wouldn't it be cool if Frontiere and Lubin were reading this thread? I think they would have good feelings about how much their art is appreciated.

I was such a fan of the show and the music that I actually called Frontiere in Beverly Hills back when I was in college in Florida (mid 70s) and spoke with him. Besides praising his music, I asked if he had any plans to release a recording. He said no, and that he had donated all the TOL tapes to his alma mater, which, if I remember correctly, was like the University of Wyoming. (Can anybody confirm this?) He didn't think there'd be a demand for it.

I was happy hear about and pick up that GNP release many years later, but I wondered if anyone else contacted the school or found out if there were any other plans to release more of the music.

Also, when I talked to Frontiere, he had recently worked with Dan Fogelberg preparing the orchestrations for his album "Netherlands." If you're not familiar with it, pick it up, it's really quite a great album and Frontiere's work on it is really inspiring. Dan Fogelberg died just last month of prostrate cancer.
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Re: Outer Limits (Original Series) - Why Rereleased?

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I was such a fan of the show and the music that I actually called Frontiere in Beverly Hills back when I was in college in Florida (mid 70s) and spoke with him. Besides praising his music, I asked if he had any plans to release a recording. He said no, and that he had donated all the TOL tapes to his alma mater, which, if I remember correctly, was like the University of Wyoming. (Can anybody confirm this?) He didn't think there'd be a demand for it.

I was happy hear about and pick up that GNP release many years later, but I wondered if anyone else contacted the school or found out if there were any other plans to release more of the music.

Also, when I talked to Frontiere, he had recently worked with Dan Fogelberg preparing the orchestrations for his album "Netherlands." If you're not familiar with it, pick it up, it's really quite a great album and Frontiere's work on it is really inspiring. Dan Fogelberg died just last month of prostrate cancer.
Hollywoodaholic,

Here is an interesting link (mostly biographical) on D. Frontiere. It mentions UCLA. I didn't realize that he was married to the recently-deceased Georgia Frontiere.

Dominic Frontiere Biography

Wiki also mentions that he enrolled in UCLA.

Dominic Frontiere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is another interesting link, including some musical samples:

Dominic Frontiere Website - Soundtrack legend [ Outer Limits - Hang Em High ]. With biography, discography and audiosamples.
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Re: Outer Limits (Original Series) - Why Rereleased?

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Here is another interesting link, including some musical samples:

Dominic Frontiere Website - Soundtrack legend [ Outer Limits - Hang Em High ]. With biography, discography and audiosamples.

Nice site. When it initially loads, the music that plays sounds indentical to that heard on the car radio in "The Galaxy Being" when Gene 'Buddy' Maxwell switches it on. If true, it's not often that a composer has both his diegetic (source music that the characters are supposed to hear) and non-diegetic musical underscore featured in the same episode!

And you've got me very curious about "The Children of Spider County", Scott. I need to check the teaser out tonight.
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Yeah, Georgia Frontiere was married to Carroll Rosenbloom, who owned the L.A. Rams, and he drowned on a beach as I recall. And Frontiere went to prison for a while for scalping Super Bowl tickets and tax evasion while he was married to her. She since divorced him. And she died last month.

But UCLA was not the school that Frontiere told me he donated the tapes to. I really believe it was the music department at the University of Wyoming. Maybe he was given an honorary doctorate there or something. The mystery deepens. GNP would have had to go to that library to license the music for their release. Interesting characters, interesting story ... behind TOL music.
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Nice site. When it initially loads, the music that plays sounds indentical to that heard on the car radio in "The Galaxy Being" when Gene 'Buddy' Maxwell switches it on. If true, it's not often that a composer has both his diegetic (source music that the characters are supposed to hear) and non-diegetic musical underscore featured in the same episode!

And you've got me very curious about "The Children of Spider County", Scott. I need to check the teaser out tonight.
Michael,

I played that opening for my children a few months ago. They were very intrigued and wanted to see the entire episode after that.
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Yeah, Georgia Frontiere was married to Carroll Rosenbloom, who owned the L.A. Rams, and he drowned on a beach as I recall. And Frontiere went to prison for a while for scalping Super Bowl tickets and tax evasion while he was married to her. She since divorced him. And she died last month.

But UCLA was not the school that Frontiere told me he donated the tapes to. I really believe it was the music department at the University of Wyoming. Maybe he was given an honorary doctorate there or something. The mystery deepens. GNP would have had to go to that library to license the music for their release. Interesting characters, interesting story ... behind TOL music.
Hollywoodaholic,

I wonder if the liner notes to the GNP Crescendo recording have anything on the university he donated the tapes to on it? I will check over the weekend.

And yes, I read that info. on D. Frontiere (about the tickets). That's another thing I had never heard of before today.
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Re: Outer Limits (Original Series) - Why Rereleased?

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Nice site. When it initially loads, the music that plays sounds indentical to that heard on the car radio in "The Galaxy Being" when Gene 'Buddy' Maxwell switches it on. If true, it's not often that a composer has both his diegetic (source music that the characters are supposed to hear) and non-diegetic musical underscore featured in the same episode!

Drifting this thread slightly off-topic, but a response to the above: check out John Williams music for the pilot episode of THE TIME TUNNEL, "Rendezvous With Yesterday". You'll find that he composed and conducted the "Titanic Trot", the incidental music that's heard onboard the Titanic as James Darren's Tony meets up with Susan Hampshire's Althea character.

Mr. Williams of course scored the entire episode and wrote the theme music. And he would repeat the composing of music heard by the characters in STAR WARS ("Cantina") and 1941 (the 40's dance music).

Back on topic, I'll have to check out that teaser as well. The description has me curious.

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Back on topic, I'll have to check out that teaser as well. The description has me curious.
I watched it again last night. I hope I haven't overstated its effect too much. I still loved it, but I hope it's as good as I described it.
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Re: Outer Limits (Original Series) - Why Rereleased?

I wonder if the liner notes to the GNP Crescendo recording have anything on the university he donated the tapes to on it? I will check over the weekend.

The GNP Crescendo CD liners carefully omit any mention of where the source tapes were/are - just that there was a long search to find them.
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Dave Jessup,

Okay, thanks.

I've been reading through this thread, which dates back a few years. There are some really interesting posts here.

Has anyone purchased the three-volume DVD set of TOL? I have been trying to find out if the set is any better than the two-volume set that I own. I did have to return my set twice, but I now have a copy which seems to be in very good working order.

Here is a pic from the three-volume set. I'd appreciate any feedback from those whom have purchased it. Many thanks.



Okay, nevermind. I found this gem around page two or three:

Doug Otte:
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The reason I'm resurrecting this one is that, after having bad luck with the original Season 2 OL DVDs, I took a chance on the new reissue. If you're unfamiliar with it, they chopped Season 1 into 2 separate boxes, and put Season 2 into a 3rd box set. The art is different, but the disc contents and layout are exactly the same. I spent $16 for Season 2 during Deep Discount's recent sale - half what the original Season 2 cost! The only error is the listing of the discs and episodes on the box - it appears they planned to put everything on 2 discs instead of 3. When they later changed their minds and kept the same 3-disc layout as the original, they corrected the listings on the cases for each disc, but left the wrong info on the outer box.
This is very helpful.
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Has anyone purchased the three-volume DVD set of TOL? I have been trying to find out if the set is any better than the two-volume set that I own.


It's also my understanding from the thread that the re-release did not digitally re-master or improve the image from the first release, which is why I haven't bothered to pick them up. Hopefully, there will be a Blu-ray version some day. Wouldn't that be great?

Re: the "location of the master audio tapes was cloaked in an aura of mystery" on the GNP soundtrack liner notes ... Hey, did they just ask Frontiere like I did (back in the 70s)? Maybe he couldn't remember later on when that soundtrack was prepared, but I'm pretty sure he told me the University of Wyoming. "The game is afoot," as Holmes would say. I'll check with that university to confirm this.
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It's also my understanding from the thread that the re-release did not digitally re-master or improve the image from the first release, which is why I haven't bothered to pick them up. Hopefully, there will be a Blu-ray version some day. Wouldn't that be great?

Re: the "location of the master audio tapes was cloaked in an aura of mystery" on the GNP soundtrack liner notes ... Hey, did they just ask Frontiere like I did (back in the 70s)? Maybe he couldn't remember later on when that soundtrack was prepared, but I'm pretty sure he told me the University of Wyoming. "The game is afoot," as Holmes would say. I'll check with that university to confirm this.
For my own part, I have little desire to move toward (or purchase) another format. But, I must say that if TOL were to come to Blu-ray, I would be very tempted to go that route, since I love this show so very much. Heck, I was tempted to try to obtain as much of the series as I could on videodisc once I learned that the DVD problem existed. Thankfully, that appears to be solved, at least with some runs of the sets.

Thanks for the info. on the liner notes. I'd be interested to learn what you find out.
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Thanks for the info. on the liner notes. I'd be interested to learn what you find out.

Okay, this is very cool. My short term memory may be toast, but I actually remembered my phone conversation with Dominic Frontiere from more than 30 years ago correctly.

There are 18 boxes of archival musical material donated by Frontiere at the American Heritage Center at the University of Wyoming. These boxes include all the musical scores or sheet music for The Outer Limits as well as other television projects he did between 1952-1975 (including The Invaders). Here's the durable link to his catalogue page:

Brief Display

What's not known is whether or not there are actual audio tapes of these scores. But the curator there (John Waggener) said he would check in some of the boxes and get back to me, because many of the boxes are actually unprocessed: No one's looked in them yet.

So when Frontiere said he donated his music to the University of Wyoming, as a composer, he was most probably referring to his actual handwritten music sheets, etc. This is the material that anyone wanting to re-orchestrate his music today would use. I know there are some serious musicians on this thread, so they might find some interest in this. There are 905 leaves (?) of music sheets on TOL alone here.

Whether this information gets us any more TOL soundtracks, I don't know, but as far as this amateur sleuth case, we now know where at least this "national treasure" was buried.
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Okay, this is very cool. My short term memory may be toast, but I actually remembered my phone conversation with Dominic Frontiere from more than 30 years ago correctly.

There are 18 boxes of archival musical material donated by Frontiere at the American Heritage Center at the University of Wyoming. These boxes include all the musical scores or sheet music for The Outer Limits as well as other television projects he did between 1952-1975 (including The Invaders). Here's the durable link to his catalogue page:

Brief Display

What's not known is whether or not there are actual audio tapes of these scores. But the curator there (John Waggener) said he would check in some of the boxes and get back to me, because many of the boxes are actually unprocessed: No one's looked in them yet.

So when Frontiere said he donated his music to the University of Wyoming, as a composer, he was most probably referring to his actual handwritten music sheets, etc. This is the material that anyone wanting to re-orchestrate his music today would use. I know there are some serious musicians on this thread, so they might find some interest in this. There are 905 leaves (?) of music sheets on TOL alone here.

Whether this information gets us any more TOL soundtracks, I don't know, but as far as this amateur sleuth case, we now know where at least this "national treasure" was buried.
Thank you so much! Your work is very much appreciated.

I looked at the link for the Dominic Frontiere papers 1952-1975. That's a brief display for the catalog record. I tried to look at the full display (what we catalogers call a MARC record); but I could not. But what you have linked here is great. It's a bibliographic record which represents the entity that is cataloged at some level. I use these on a daily basis, and I often create them when I do original cataloging.

You're quite correct too about the music scores often being used by composers, arrangers, etc. My training is in medieval and renaissance manuscripts, so I've been to many archives to use these types of things as well as facsimiles when originals are lacking. I am guessing that one would have to be a serious musician or scholar in order to gain access to these papers. The archivist would be the person to contact if anyone is interested. We have a university archivist, and she will frequently help students and scholars with important materials such as these.

Again, very interesting. I think I need to watch an episode of TOL in your honor.
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In doing some research on the net over Dominic Frontiere's scores to TOL I came across a licensed release to his score for "The Forms of Things Unknown". I never knew about it! It doesn't appear to feature the entire score, oddly enough and is weighted toward the episode's first half.

LA LA LAND RECORDS, A Name For Evil, The Unknown

There are two mp3s you can play, one for the main title to the unsold pilot "The Unknown" and one for Andre's theme.

BTW, thanks Wayne, for all that great info regarding material donated by Frontiere to the American Heritage Center at the University of Wyoming.
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From a post on The Fugitive Season 2 thread by Harry-N ....

" ... I know that THE OUTER LIMITS music was recently re-released by La-La Land Records - my copy is ordered and on the way.

It's a new and more thorough release than the old GNP Crescendo disc:

LA LA LAND RECORDS, OUTER LIMITS

Limited edition, it claims. We've already missed the autographed versions that were available for about 1 day."

- Harry*

I pasted this info here from Harry's post so that any Outer Limits fans browsing the Forum would know about this motherlode (three hours) of re-mastered music by Dominic Frontiere from the original series.

*(As a WGA writer, we are very picky about acknowledging proper credits.)
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From a post on The Fugitive Season 2 thread by Harry-N ....

" ... I know that THE OUTER LIMITS music was recently re-released by La-La Land Records - my copy is ordered and on the way.

It's a new and more thorough release than the old GNP Crescendo disc:

LA LA LAND RECORDS, OUTER LIMITS

Limited edition, it claims. We've already missed the autographed versions that were available for about 1 day."

- Harry*

I pasted this info here from Harry's post so that any Outer Limits fans browsing the Forum would know about this motherlode (three hours) of re-mastered music by Dominic Frontiere from the original series.

*(As a WGA writer, we are very picky about acknowledging proper credits.)

Thanks Wayne. Great idea posting it here, more where it belongs.

Mine's shipped but still hasn't arrived - perhaps today.

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Working my way throught the first CD on the new soundtrack release and enjoying it thoroughly. The sound is definitely a step up from the previous GNP release, if still a little thin and with some distortions here and there. But it's still better than we've ever heard it.

The cues from "Architects of Fear" are so evocative of the story, you can tear up just hearing the themes. I mark that episode and "The Man Who Was Never Born" as two of the finest moments in television writing and imagery, though a bit melancholy. I guess I was always drawn toward the tragic tales.

The cues on "Tourist Attraction" have all the Spanish flare. Frontiere must have had a field day with the TOL anthology structure that allowed him to explore completely different worlds and styles with each episode.

Thanks again to La-La Land Records for putting this out and for giving us TOL and Frontiere fans an unexpected thrill.
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I just ordered mine a couple days ago and can't wait!
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The cues from "Architects of Fear" are so evocative of the story, you can tear up just hearing the themes. I mark that episode and "The Man Who Was Never Born" as two of the finest moments in television writing and imagery, though a bit melancholy. I guess I was always drawn toward the tragic tales.
Hollywoodaholic,

Nice descriptions there. I think The Architects of Fear may be my favorite episode of the series. I love the make-up used for the Thetan. And you have to love Janos Prohaska's work (yet again) as a memorable alien.

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The cues on "Tourist Attraction" have all the Spanish flare. Frontiere must have had a field day with the TOL anthology structure that allowed him to explore completely different worlds and styles with each episode.
Yes, some of those Spanish elements (somewhat flamenco-esque) can be heard in The Chameleon, near the beginning of the episode where we see Duval being recruited.

Have you had a listen to "The Thaw" (from Tourist Attraction)? I haven't heard it yet (I will be getting this recording soon); I'm guessing it's the same segment we hear in The Special One during that wonderfully dark and eerie sequence as we wait for Mr. Zeno to arrive (the one we've discussed on various threads recently).
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Michael ks,

Thanks for that link. I will have a peek at it from work tomorrow (I have dial-up from home, and it didn't load too well).

I wanted to mention a couple of other things that send chills up my spine in this series. For me, I think the first best opening of any episode (I mean prior to the opening music) I have ever seen in TOL is the introduction to The Children of Spider County. It's not only the dark road, and the car crash as the alien is seen coming out of the woods, but also the unbelievably effective sound effect that is nearly synchronized with the viewers' having seen the alien's true form. I can't really describe the sound effect, except to say that it reminds me somewhat of the Martians' ray-gun sound effect in the original The War of the Worlds.

But this is only part of the effect. As the face of the alien fades, and the sound effect diminishes, we see and hear some split-second editing which transitions seemlessly into the pungently-dissonant opening of the credits that we are all accustomed to hearing before we see "The Outer Limits" flash on the screen. The two sounds--one concluding the opening scene and the other introducing the opening credits--must be seen and heard to be believed. I know of no other moment in the series that is quite like it.

Another wonderful segment has to do with The Mutant. It too occurs near the beginning, around ten or so minutes into the episode. Reese Fowler has done his best not to shake hands with the newly arrived Dr. Riner--he instead adjusts his glasses to give his hands something to do. After the introductions have been completed, and the death of the communications expert is (albeit very cryptically) explained, the group moves from the right of the screen off to the viewers' left. Reese is the last one to move in the same direction, and again keeping his distance, the musical track changes to convey that 'other-worldly' and ethereal sound world whic


The sound efx in CHILDREN OF SPIDER COUNTY intro were: the interior sounds of Kronos from the film KRONOS(1957) as we see the Eros alien true form, and of course the WAR OF THE WORLDS ray sound as his eyes glow and disintegrate the sheriff. OL used a lot of the FORBIDDEN PLANET sound (the sound as the Id Monster is melting the Krell lab door) in many episodes (usually during a spaceship malfunction or meteor storm)
John Elizalde used a lot of classic scifi sounds in THE INVADERS also, mostly from the film EARTH VS THE FLYING SAUCERS. There was a trademark OL sound that sounds like low notes of an organ held down and rise and fall in pitch in a repeating cycle that was actually used years before in SCIENCE FICTION THEATRE in a few episodes where they were showing UFOs in flight. John must've had access to a big stock scifi sound library at the studio.
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The sound efx in CHILDREN OF SPIDER COUNTY intro were: the interior sounds of Kronos from the film KRONOS(1957) as we see the Eros alien true form, and of course the WAR OF THE WORLDS ray sound as his eyes glow and disintegrate the sheriff. OL used a lot of the FORBIDDEN PLANET sound (the sound as the Id Monster is melting the Krell lab door) in many episodes (usually during a spaceship malfunction or meteor storm)
John Elizalde used a lot of classic scifi sounds in THE INVADERS also, mostly from the film EARTH VS THE FLYING SAUCERS. There was a trademark OL sound that sounds like low notes of an organ held down and rise and fall in pitch in a repeating cycle that was actually used years before in SCIENCE FICTION THEATRE in a few episodes where they were showing UFOs in flight. John must've had access to a big stock scifi sound library at the studio.
Charles,

It's the timing of the juxtaposition (and nearly overlapping) of sounds that greatly intrigues me in that segment. If that clip doesn't get a new viewer to want to watch more of The Outer Limits, then I don't believe much else will.

Yes, I've noticed some of the effects used in The Outer Limits in films prior to the television series. I am pleased that some of those effects made it on to the GNP Crescendo release of The Outer Limits music; now with the release of the three-CD set, more of these gems will be available to many more of us.

BTW, I love Earth vs. The Flying Saucers. That film remains one of my fondest childhood memories.

Side note: Have you (or anyone else) noticed that some of the music used in The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) showed up on the 1960s television series Lost In Space? I'm thinking of the episode (it may be The Derelict; I'll have to check on that) where the Robinson family is inside of a space craft of some sort, and there are (what look to be) mummies and decayed bodies all around them.
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Unfortunately the new OL 3CD set has no sound efx this time. Irwin Allen shows used Herrmann's music a LOT, not just DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, but also cues from GARDEN OF EVIL, BENEATH THE 12 MILE REEF (John Robinson "jet pack" flying music) and JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH. The original LOST IN SPACE unaired pilot "No Place To Hide" has a ton of Herrmann. The mummy scene you refer to is in the deserted underground city they discover in a huge cavern in "Island In The Sky" episode 3 (which is from the unaired pilot version also).
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Re: Outer Limits (Original Series) - Why Rereleased?

According to an old Filmscore Monthly message board post by record producer Ford Thaxton (yes...he's a distant relative)...Harry Lubin's OUTER LIMITS music recordings cannot be located and are presumed lost (but they said the same thing about MGM's THE TIME MACHINE score which they found a couple of years ago) but we can hope perhaps they might be found.
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True, there's no SFX on this release, which is primarily a music-oriented release, but one other big bonus is some extensive (14-page) liner notes by Cinefantastique film music columnist and former Soundtrack Magazine senior editor, Randall Larson. In addition to writing an overview of the program, and a background piece on Frontiere, he provides some music-savvy info for each of the episode tracks.

Most of "Tourist Attraction" was orchestrated by Robert Van Eps, but the "Monster Awakes" sequence that I believe Ockeghem referred to was, indeed, Frontiere. The whole suite is included on this release.

I made the comment about Frontiere probably having a field day with this show and, synchronistically, Larson confirms this from Frontiere himself:

Because the show was an anthology show, while Frontiere maintained an overall ambient, atmospheric sound, he treated each episode as a unique entity. Each episode has it's own unique score. "That's what made it great for me," Frontiere said. "That was what was fun about it."

He also had fun with some of the cues, naming one in an episode of "The Mice" as "Epilogue With A Jelly Doughnut." If you are familiar with the episode, you get the joke.

The music composed for the episode and pilot "Forms of Things Unknown" is not on this soundtrack CD, but on another La-La-Land Records release entitled "Name for Evil/The Unknown."

And, also, to echo one of my own earlier posting sentiments, Frontiere's favorite episode was, indeed, "The Architects of Fear."
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According to an old Filmscore Monthly message board post by record producer Ford Thaxton (yes...he's a distant relative)...

I meant to ask you about that, it just seemed like too much of a coincidence. Ford is a hoot at times where is terse demeanor is concerned.

That's unfortunate about Harry Lubin's compositions for OL, if true. Although I've always felt that Frontiere's absence in season 2 left a big void, his reworked theme from "One Step Beyond" is a very pleasant aural experience and his spare score to "Demon With a Glass Hand" is exceptional in its murky discordance.

I ordered the 3 CD set from La-La-Land Records yesterday, quite probably my most anticipated soundtrack release of all time. Of course, I wish "The Galaxy Being" and "The Invisibles" could have been included but to have over 3 hours of OL music with improved fidelity is a godsend indeed. At the same time, I went ahead and purchased the other LLL CD featuring the score to "The Unknown" ("The Forms of Things Unknown"). I wonder why this wasn't included in the 3-CD set to begin with since it appears the OL set was 2 years in the making.

My thanks to Harry-N for posting the news of this great release!
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Irwin Allen shows used Herrmann's music a LOT, not just DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, but also cues from GARDEN OF EVIL, BENEATH THE 12 MILE REEF (John Robinson "jet pack" flying music) and JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH.

I believe LIS is the only IA series to feature music from all four Herrmann scored films. In the case of "Voyage" a different cue from BT12MR is heard in one episode rather than the familiar jet pack music used in LIS. It's the short cue where Gilbert Roland informs his shipmates that they're returning to the reef and is heard to very effective and chilling effect in "Deadly Invasion" where Nelson and Crane are examining the interior of a tiny alien spacecraft. A couple of cues from "Journey to the Center of the Earth" is used often in "Time Tunnel" but I can't recall offhand where it appears in LIS.
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Re: Outer Limits (Original Series) - Why Rereleased?

TIME TUNNEL also used the DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL cues, most notable in some of the alien invasion episodes. It's used verbatim as the opening episode credits roll at the start of the "Visitors From Beyond The Stars" episode.

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And, also, to echo one of my own earlier posting sentiments, Frontiere's favorite episode was, indeed, "The Architects of Fear."
Hollywoodaholic,

Wow, that's neat. I had no idea that that was his favorite episode. The opening to it is in a word ... chilling. That smoke-filled room, the darkness, and the eventual drawing of lots ... all sends shivers up and down my spine. It's also a purely 'science fiction' sci-fi episode IMO, if that makes sense. Maybe I can elaborate on that at another time.

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The original LOST IN SPACE unaired pilot "No Place To Hide" has a ton of Herrmann. The mummy scene you refer to is in the deserted underground city they discover in a huge cavern in "Island In The Sky" episode 3 (which is from the unaired pilot version also).
Charles,

Yes, I own that pilot. It's included on the first season DVD release of the series. It's a bit odd, not seeing a couple of characters that we know and love in that episode.

Thanks for the episode title correction. I couldn't recall it from memory.

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(John Robinson "jet pack" flying music)
I love that sequence. In There Were Giants In the Earth, you get that great musical sequence (it reminds me in some ways of some of the work of P. Glass), the chariot, the cyclops, an overgrown garden, and the Bloop. They threw just about everything into that episode.

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I ordered the 3 CD set from La-La-Land Records yesterday, quite probably my most anticipated soundtrack release of all time. Of course, I wish "The Galaxy Being" and "The Invisibles" could have been included but to have over 3 hours of OL music with improved fidelity is a godsend indeed. At the same time, I went ahead and purchased the other LLL CD featuring the score to "The Unknown" ("The Forms of Things Unknown"). I wonder why this wasn't included in the 3-CD set to begin with since it appears the OL set was 2 years in the making.
Michael,

I love The Forms of Things Unknown. Either you or another poster once mentioned the film noir aspects of that episode. It's one of the best The Outer Limits has to offer, IMO.
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Another of my favorites that I neglected to mention in a previous post is The Invisibles. The sound effects used when that alien is crawling are haunting. It's one of those episodes that I won't show to our younger children, even though I was introduced to TOL when I was five.


the roar of the "Invisibles" crab creatures was the T.Rex from the film DINOSAURUS! (which the Projects Unlimited guys worked on)
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