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Because JJ and Greg are going to be shooting
The Catch Real Soon Now, Honestly They Are.
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| Because JJ and Greg are going to be shooting The Catch Real Soon Now, Honestly They Are. |
Why'd you capitalize "real soon now, honestly they are"? The Catch starts airing this fall.
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That was for sarcasm purposes. The show was originally expected, what, Spring 2003, and it has yet to even shoot a pilot.
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Yeah, I bet heads rolled when they found out who faked Sloan's death... Oh, wait.
One begins to wonder how any of these people are still working for the CIA.
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| I'm glad to know that I'm not crazy thinking they originally revealed Sidney was part of Project Christmas |
Just a point of clarification: Sydney was fully aware of her being in Project Christmas and of her father putting her in it. This had been revealed some time ago. What last season's finale did was suggest there was something more to it than just a spy training project. Last night's ep still glossed over that issue or the last scene in the finale was just a hamhanded red herring. Or the writers changed their minds and needed to explain away the fact Syd was getting upset over a document that showed her to be a CIA "project" managed by her father.
EDIT: But if my memory serves, she did begin getting upset over subsequent pages, so I suppose the writers had a way out there...it's our own fault for jumping to conclusions, right?
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When was Sydney informed of Project Christmas as far as Jack running the project and that she was also a product of the project? I remember Will uncovering Project Christmas, but nothing about Jack's involvement in it, nor Sydney getting the total 411 on it.
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If I'm not mistaken Sydney watched the video and saw herself as a young girl sitting at a desk assembling a gun or something. She also had a conversation about it with her dad.
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Okay, I was somewhat mistaken. She was not a full blown member of Project Christmas but Jack used her as a test subject, which I guess would qualify her as being a project unto herself (as indicated by the one black document we saw in last season's finale):
Season 2, Episode 5 (from the episode guides on ABC's site):
In Buenos Aires, Kolakov attacks Syd with a stun gun but is electrocuted when she throws him into water. She finds a spatial relations puzzle and completes it in seconds. When Sydney undergoes hypnosis back home, she sees herself giving a gun to her father! Syd confronts Jack with her memories — Irina's mission was to uncover "Project Christmas," a plan Jack developed to train kids to become American spies. Syd claims that Jack has been afraid she would figure it all out. "You programmed me to be a spy," she says, "I will never forgive you for this."
Jack explains to Sydney that he never intended her to be a spy, that he only tested Project Christmas on her so she could be strong in a dangerous environment — but Sloane got to her before he did.
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If I had to guess, I'd say she's a Rimbaldi true-believer, found something that further convinced her that Sydney will somehow bring about Very Bad Things, and decided Syd Must Be Destroyed. But, she had to subcontract out, because she's hit her limit on how often she can do bodily harm to her daughter herself.
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| I mean Nadia, who was tortured by him, Dixon, who's wife was killed by Sloane, Jack and Sid who've had dozens of things happen to them because of Sloane all have no problem working for him? |
I think they all have problems working for him; that was made pretty clear. It's just that they apparently won't quite for real, or, in high-functioning sociopath Jack Bristow's case, put a bullet in Sloane's head at the first possible opportunity.
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"I will never forgive you for this."
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HOW many times is this going to happen? Syd's all, "I HATE YOU SPYDADDY!" and then five minutes later she finds out about the big twist (aka, "SpyMommy wanted you dead!") and then she's all melty and teary and oh Vaughn, please love me before the Sarah McLachlan song ends!
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| HOW many times is this going to happen? Syd's all, "I HATE YOU SPYDADDY!" and then five minutes later she finds out about the big twist (aka, "SpyMommy wanted you dead!") and then she's all melty and teary and oh Vaughn, please love me before the Sarah McLachlan song ends! |
So you're saying you want to start an Alias drinking game?
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I'd have to watch that season 2 episode again because what Sydney found out in the season 3 finale tore her world apart, and if she knew about Jack's involvement in season 2, that doesn't make the discovery as big as it was made out to be in last season's finale.
If that recap is accurate, it means Irina went to all the trouble of bearing Sydney, and possibly dangling her existence as a way to Jack to reveal his involvement with Project Christmas. That seems really far-fetched time-line-wise. But, with sleeper agents, I guess it's possible, but plausible, I don't know.
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| The information Sydney saw in the finale, and what she talked about in the Premiere are different. Maybe they changed their minds on what to do, or they wanted a way to write Lena Olin off the show. |
Well, like I said, they either changed their minds and used a cheap way out (we only saw the first document relating to the "Sydney Bristow Project" so the subsequent documents could have been about something else - e.g. Irina's execution order) or the writers had this in mind the whole time, in which case it's a lamely executed red herring. I suspect the latter.
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I call it scrambling on the writers' part when it was clear that Lena Olin wasn't going to return to the show, so they had to go with another angle to write Irina out of the show, and the result was clumsily executed IMHO. Hopefully in a few weeks, it'll all blow over, but for now, it still reeks a little bit.
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The writing out of Lena Olin was done just fine. The initial set up of the new APO group and justification for Sloane's leadership...now that was awkward. If your exposition can't fly even when put in the mouth of an actress as skilled as Angela Bassett, then you know you are in trouble. Once I got past that awful set-up, though, I enjoyed the episode a lot.
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I think it's interesting to note that at no time has Sloan doublecrossed the CIA since his capture. Sure, he stole the one Rimbaldi artifact, and used it on his daughter, but, in his mind, it was for the better good, not for personal gain or power. He may not always tell the truth, but he seems to always be working for good.
I'm glad for the "ctrl-alt-del" of the series. Let's get back to the roots!
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S/V?
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