Matt_Stevens
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I spent one hour last night going through the first 15 minutes of the film, comparing the LD to the DVD and I found some striking differences.
The DVD is recorded with the soundtrack slightly louder than the LD. I'd say about 2 to 3 db. I found this while matching dialogue, not sound effects or music, which I will explain below. (If my terminology is incorrect in regards to sound levels, forgive, as I am a layman)
The laserdisc includes the original 4 track soundmix. In this mix, the music is very loud. "Scary" loud. Rarely do the sound effects overpower the music. This was intentional.
The DVD's "remastered" soundtrack has the music volume lowered, with the sound effects volume raised. This is a big problem in two scenes that I saw. When Jessica is first being driven to the school in the rain and then when the first murder is committed, the music on the DVD is so much lower than the original soundtrack, that I had to push my system up a full 10db to match the LD. But then the dialogue and sound effects were much too loud and hurt my ears.
This is a serious mistake and looks to have been intentional with this mix (supervised by William Lustig). The Goblin soundtrack has always been louder than the sound effects track. Argento did this on purpose to set a mood and it worked. I say "worked" because the murders are not as scary as before on this DVD. There is a clear difference between the music on the DVD and the LD. The DVD might use the surrounds more, but the music on the LD sounded fuller, had more bass and was much louder and therefore, far more effective.
This brings us to another problem: Missing music. Right before the first murder, when the two girls are talking in the room after the window burst open from the wind, there is a piece of music missing from the DVD that I believe is referred to as "Whispers and sighs." It's a strange, eery piece, is quite loud on the Laserdisc (and any other previous version) and is completely missing from the Anchor Bay DVD.
Now this was just from going through the first 15 minutes of the film. When I first watched this DVD I did notice some sounds, like a scream or a dog barking, were much too low. It seems that the volume levels have all been changed.
There are reports of missing dialogue all throughout the film and I don't doubt it, as I don't remember hearing the lines mentioned when I watched this DVD a week ago. I don't know this film as well as say SUPERMAN or HIGHLANDER, so I was unable to detect the problems right away. Only after comparing the two could I say, Yes, Anchor Bay screwed up again.
Studios can remix these films to their heart's content for all I care, as long as they include the original soundtrack! SUSPIRIA had a 4 track sound mix, one of the greatest ever created and has long been championed by fans of the film. The laserdisc was a long time showoff piece for what surround sound can do for a film at home. NOT including it makes absolutely no sense at all.
The DVD includes a 2 channel DOWN-MIX from the 5.1 remix, which is an absolute disgrace, as there is no reason why that 2 channel mix could not have been the ORIGINAL! At the moment I am truly upset at myself for not noticing these problems before the Anchor Bay chat, because I and others would have been all over them for this.
And to anyone who says this doesn't matter, that's a load of garbage. How many other films out there will suffer the same fate? Are you aware of the fact that some studios actually throw out the original soundtracks once a remix has been created? That means original works are altered for all time and that is not acceptable.
I don't care how good this mix sounds. It would have been BETTER had pieces of music not been left out, dialogue not been left out and the volume of the music left alone. It also would have been a proper representation of the original mix.
I am asking that people write or email Anchor Bay, asking them to re-release the film, by itself, at a later date, with the original 4 channel soundtrack. JUST the 4 channel track and maybe the DTS mix, so that people can compare. No other soundtracks would be required. This is the right thing to do. Anchor Bay should actually recall the entire run, but we all know there is no way in hell they would eat the hundreds of thousand of dollars this would cost them, as it IS their fault. But doing the film PROPERLY would go a long ways towards making up for their mistake.
[email protected]
[email protected]
Public Relations
Anchor Bay Entertainment
1699 Stutz Dr.
Troy, MI 48084
Telephone: 248-362-9660 / 248-816-0909
Fax: 248-362-4454
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www.deceptions.net/superman
[Edited last by Matt_Stevens on October 01, 2001 at 08:15 AM]
The DVD is recorded with the soundtrack slightly louder than the LD. I'd say about 2 to 3 db. I found this while matching dialogue, not sound effects or music, which I will explain below. (If my terminology is incorrect in regards to sound levels, forgive, as I am a layman)
The laserdisc includes the original 4 track soundmix. In this mix, the music is very loud. "Scary" loud. Rarely do the sound effects overpower the music. This was intentional.
The DVD's "remastered" soundtrack has the music volume lowered, with the sound effects volume raised. This is a big problem in two scenes that I saw. When Jessica is first being driven to the school in the rain and then when the first murder is committed, the music on the DVD is so much lower than the original soundtrack, that I had to push my system up a full 10db to match the LD. But then the dialogue and sound effects were much too loud and hurt my ears.
This is a serious mistake and looks to have been intentional with this mix (supervised by William Lustig). The Goblin soundtrack has always been louder than the sound effects track. Argento did this on purpose to set a mood and it worked. I say "worked" because the murders are not as scary as before on this DVD. There is a clear difference between the music on the DVD and the LD. The DVD might use the surrounds more, but the music on the LD sounded fuller, had more bass and was much louder and therefore, far more effective.
This brings us to another problem: Missing music. Right before the first murder, when the two girls are talking in the room after the window burst open from the wind, there is a piece of music missing from the DVD that I believe is referred to as "Whispers and sighs." It's a strange, eery piece, is quite loud on the Laserdisc (and any other previous version) and is completely missing from the Anchor Bay DVD.
Now this was just from going through the first 15 minutes of the film. When I first watched this DVD I did notice some sounds, like a scream or a dog barking, were much too low. It seems that the volume levels have all been changed.
There are reports of missing dialogue all throughout the film and I don't doubt it, as I don't remember hearing the lines mentioned when I watched this DVD a week ago. I don't know this film as well as say SUPERMAN or HIGHLANDER, so I was unable to detect the problems right away. Only after comparing the two could I say, Yes, Anchor Bay screwed up again.
Studios can remix these films to their heart's content for all I care, as long as they include the original soundtrack! SUSPIRIA had a 4 track sound mix, one of the greatest ever created and has long been championed by fans of the film. The laserdisc was a long time showoff piece for what surround sound can do for a film at home. NOT including it makes absolutely no sense at all.
The DVD includes a 2 channel DOWN-MIX from the 5.1 remix, which is an absolute disgrace, as there is no reason why that 2 channel mix could not have been the ORIGINAL! At the moment I am truly upset at myself for not noticing these problems before the Anchor Bay chat, because I and others would have been all over them for this.
And to anyone who says this doesn't matter, that's a load of garbage. How many other films out there will suffer the same fate? Are you aware of the fact that some studios actually throw out the original soundtracks once a remix has been created? That means original works are altered for all time and that is not acceptable.
I don't care how good this mix sounds. It would have been BETTER had pieces of music not been left out, dialogue not been left out and the volume of the music left alone. It also would have been a proper representation of the original mix.
I am asking that people write or email Anchor Bay, asking them to re-release the film, by itself, at a later date, with the original 4 channel soundtrack. JUST the 4 channel track and maybe the DTS mix, so that people can compare. No other soundtracks would be required. This is the right thing to do. Anchor Bay should actually recall the entire run, but we all know there is no way in hell they would eat the hundreds of thousand of dollars this would cost them, as it IS their fault. But doing the film PROPERLY would go a long ways towards making up for their mistake.
[email protected]
[email protected]
Public Relations
Anchor Bay Entertainment
1699 Stutz Dr.
Troy, MI 48084
Telephone: 248-362-9660 / 248-816-0909
Fax: 248-362-4454
------------------
www.deceptions.net/superman
[Edited last by Matt_Stevens on October 01, 2001 at 08:15 AM]