1/23/07 at 8:24am
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Genesis on SACD soon
1/23/07 at 2:24pm
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Re: Genesis on SACD soon
Sweet. The US release will work for me, for now.Thanks for the answer Paul.
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1/23/07 at 9:09pm
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Re: Genesis on SACD soon
Wow! That’s a great news!
1/24/07 at 8:21am
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HMV Japan has a pre-order, with a good price, on the first batch. Ironically, they are imported European sets with the PAL DVDs.
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So that would get me high res sound and DVDs I can't play....
1/24/07 at 10:00am
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Re: Genesis on SACD soon
If your player doesn't do a PAL to NTSC conversion, then yes. A number of players are capable of this (and it isn't necessarily well advertised) but the majority are not. I'm a big fan of European films (particularly French ones) and I bought a player that does this conversion pretty well (and, in fact, outputs PAL and NTSC in its native format--not all those that convert PAL to NTSC will output a native PAL signal)--one that is region free right out of the box (the Cambridge Audio 540D--don't think it's still available new, though).As for the DVDs you "can't play", if you have MCH SACD capability, the point should be pretty moot, though, as there are no video extras on the DVD that I know of.
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1/24/07 at 10:18am
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Re: Genesis on SACD soon
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If your player doesn't do a PAL to NTSC conversion, then yes. A number of players are capable of this (and it isn't necessarily well advertised) but the majority are not. I'm a big fan of European films (particularly French ones) and I bought a player that does this conversion pretty well (and, in fact, outputs PAL and NTSC in its native format--not all those that convert PAL to NTSC will output a native PAL signal)--one that is region free right out of the box (the Cambridge Audio 540D--don't think it's still available new, though).
As for the DVDs you "can't play", if you have MCH SACD capability, the point should be pretty moot, though, as there are no video extras on the DVD that I know of. |
I can't find a hack for my DVD player (Integra DPS 8.3) to turn it into a multi region player. So isn't the point to just wait until the Japan sets are available so that I'll get SACD and DVDs in NTSC format?
1/24/07 at 1:34pm
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Re: Genesis on SACD soon
The Japanese discs are NTSC but they are NOT region 1 (there is the possibility that the discs, like some concert and music video discs, will be region 0, or all region, but that is not confirmed). If you cannot make the player region-free, then neither the Japanese nor the European DVDs will play on your player (unless, as mentioned, the Japanese disc is region 0). If you absolutely want both hi-res audio AND the DVD-V playback, the only way to be certain is to double order--the SACD from either Europe or Japan AND the US CD + DVD-V release. I just want the SACD MCH hi-res. The DVD (unless it has some interesting archival video footage--which I think unlikely) will be superfluous to me.Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes time, and it annoys the pig.
1/24/07 at 1:39pm
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Re: Genesis on SACD soon
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The Japanese discs are NTSC but they are NOT region 1 (there is the possibility that the discs, like some concert and music video discs, will be region 0, or all region, but that is not confirmed). If you cannot make the player region-free, then neither the Japanese nor the European DVDs will play on your player (unless, as mentioned, the Japanese disc is region 0). If you absolutely want both hi-res audio AND the DVD-V playback, the only way to be certain is to double order--the SACD from either Europe or Japan AND the US CD + DVD-V release. I just want the SACD MCH hi-res. The DVD (unless it has some interesting archival video footage--which I think unlikely) will be superfluous to me.
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All I really want is the SACD music. I don't even know what's on the DVDs.
1/24/07 at 3:27pm
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Re: Genesis on SACD soon
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All I really want is the SACD music. I don't even know what's on the DVDs.
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Track listing of Genesis SACDs, DVDs and bonus SACD as posted on stevehoffman.tv
SACD not listed at sa-cd.net (updated 8/26/2009)
1/25/07 at 8:07am
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Re: Genesis on SACD soon
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If your player doesn't do a PAL to NTSC conversion, then yes. A number of players are capable of this (and it isn't necessarily well advertised) but the majority are not. I'm a big fan of European films (particularly French ones) and I bought a player that does this conversion pretty well (and, in fact, outputs PAL and NTSC in its native format--not all those that convert PAL to NTSC will output a native PAL signal)--one that is region free right out of the box (the Cambridge Audio 540D--don't think it's still available new, though).
As for the DVDs you "can't play", if you have MCH SACD capability, the point should be pretty moot, though, as there are no video extras on the DVD that I know of. |
Not sure what you mean by "output a native signal"? If I'm in US and get a dvd player which claims PAL->NTSC conversion so I can play PAL dvds; are there different kinds of conversions possible?
1/25/07 at 9:23am
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Not sure what you mean by "output a native signal"? If I'm in US and get a dvd player which claims PAL->NTSC conversion so I can play PAL dvds; are there different kinds of conversions possible?
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I think what he's saying is that he has a DVD player that will output a PAL signal for those with PAL-compatible TVs. I don't know if that's an unusual feature, tho. The conversion to NTSC is more unusual.
A cheap way to do it is if you have a computer with a DVD drive, you can use that. Computers don't really care about whether the source is PAL or NTSC. Course, you also need the software to play a DVD, and you probably need to unlock the region on your drive with a firmware update.
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1/25/07 at 2:25pm
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Re: Genesis on SACD soon
Someone on the Steve Hoffman thread said that the DVDs will be region 0. I sure hope so -- sounds like they include some interesting extras."How wonderful it will be to have a leader unburdened by the twin horrors of knowledge and experience." -- Mr. Wick
1/25/07 at 7:42pm
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Not sure what you mean by "output a native signal"? If I'm in US and get a dvd player which claims PAL->NTSC conversion so I can play PAL dvds; are there different kinds of conversions possible?
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1/26/07 at 5:37pm
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Re: Genesis on SACD soon
I have to tell you, I was really kind of psyched about these at first. But now with the cost, and the difficulty of getting the SACDs and NTSC video, maybe all the remastered CDs I already have by them are going to be "good enough".If it's not worth waiting until the last minute to do, then it's not worth doing.
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1/28/07 at 10:20am
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Re: Genesis on SACD soon
I agree $40 is really steep for these even though I'm only gonna buy several of them."Music is a magic carpet loaded with oils and other soothing potions, it's just what you need when you don't know what you need, when you've got more questions than answers." - Bob Lefsetz
2/10/07 at 1:16pm
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How about almost $60?http://www.amazon.com/Duke-Bonus-Dvd...e=UTF8&s=music
I was looking for anything new about the US versions and came across the imports on Amazon. FYI.
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2/10/07 at 11:47pm
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I think this has been mentioned, but the Japanese versions will have SACD and NTSC video. Maybe they will be cheaper.
Or not.
If it's not worth waiting until the last minute to do, then it's not worth doing.
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2/11/07 at 5:17pm
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Re: Genesis on SACD soon
why wouldnt these be released in reg 1 on ntsc?
2/12/07 at 5:19pm
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Yes, but you don't get SACDs here.If it's not worth waiting until the last minute to do, then it's not worth doing.
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2/12/07 at 8:04pm
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Re: Genesis on SACD soon
About two weeks ago I emailed Rhino (I'm *assuming* this is who will release these for Warners) about the release date for the CD+dvd versions for the U.S. Don't hold your breath because almost every time I ask them something to do with surround music it takes them at least a month and usually longer to reply. I think they know who I am and are worried that I'll blab the info on forums like this, which is true!
2/14/07 at 9:00am
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How about almost $60?
http://www.amazon.com/Duke-Bonus-Dvd...e=UTF8&s=music I was looking for anything new about the US versions and came across the imports on Amazon. FYI. |
That's the European PAL version. It seems that the Japanese NTSC versions will be available for less than that.
I suppose now that I have 5.1 sound on my PC at home, I could just watch the region 3 DVDs on my computer. I'd really like those SACDs. . .
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2/21/07 at 3:18pm
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Well, I pulled the trigger on ...And Then There Were Three, Abacab and Duke. Ugh, $120..."Music is a magic carpet loaded with oils and other soothing potions, it's just what you need when you don't know what you need, when you've got more questions than answers." - Bob Lefsetz
2/21/07 at 10:58pm
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Well, I pulled the trigger on ...And Then There Were Three, Abacab and Duke. Ugh, $120...
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I'm starting to wonder that the continuing lack of a release date for U.S. versions might mean Warner/Rhino is thinking of dvd-a versions instead.....O.K. I will admit that's being way too optimistic. But if they do, I hope they arrange the audio menu so ALL audio formats are listed i.e. MLP, Dolby, DTS, etc. That way people with players not yet set up correctly for hi-res (six analog outs) can hear something without thinking the disc is defective. DTS does this with many of their discs.
2/22/07 at 3:05am
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The only rational way of doing this if you're a completist is to get the box sets (of which zilch details of where they can bought, price, etc, as yet).I shall be just slightly annoyed (Brit understatement) if I get the box sets and then discover there's a change of heart and the extras discs will be made available separately.
Incidentally, for all of my American cousins fainting over the prices - welcome to Britain.
2/22/07 at 8:00am
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Re: Genesis on SACD soon
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Well, I pulled the trigger on ...And Then There Were Three, Abacab and Duke. Ugh, $120...
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Where? Why in the world are they making is so freaking difficult to get high res audio and region 1 DVDs???
2/22/07 at 2:37pm
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wow you're RICH!
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Nope, just stupid!
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Where? Why in the world are they making is so freaking difficult to get high res audio and region 1 DVDs???
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Music Direct
"Music is a magic carpet loaded with oils and other soothing potions, it's just what you need when you don't know what you need, when you've got more questions than answers." - Bob Lefsetz
3/1/07 at 11:21am
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Now they're saying these SACDs are on backorder...
"Music is a magic carpet loaded with oils and other soothing potions, it's just what you need when you don't know what you need, when you've got more questions than answers." - Bob Lefsetz
3/1/07 at 11:31am
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Now they're saying these SACDs are on backorder...
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3/1/07 at 12:36pm
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Nope, just stupid!
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So I went to Music Direct and almost started pre-ordering. But then I realized I don't want to pay for SACD disks that come with PAL DVDs I can't play. I still don't get why this is so freaking difficult.
3/1/07 at 4:08pm
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So I went to Music Direct and almost started pre-ordering. But then I realized I don't want to pay for SACD disks that come with PAL DVDs I can't play. I still don't get why this is so freaking difficult.
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