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The way DVDs look on HDTVs!

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4/16/03 at 3:45pm
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Ed,

do tell, please, what IS the difference in terms of image fidelity between a FP and a RP?

If they're both top shelf, calibrated, connected to a top shelf dvd player and everything is tricked out as much as it can be tricked out, what difference am I going to see other than a size one?

From your statement to Mark I figure it must be a pretty dramatic difference, I just don't understand why? With the state of technology for RP today, their should be no reason for a FP to look THAT much better with, again, all things being equal.
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4/16/03 at 5:18pm
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I don't think that you would see much difference between a good FP and a good RP, if both set up properly. I do, however, believe that the FP is more viewable, both because of size and because you have more of a viewing angle.

I think that everyone can agree that they are both a huge improvement over what you could have gotten ten years ago, and we are lucky that we have a choice.
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4/17/03 at 8:24am
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The way DVDs look on HDTVs!


Not that great when compared to a real HD signal.
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"The way DVDs look on HDTVs!"

Excellent when NOT compared to a real HD signal, which isn't fair and shouldn't be done in the first place.
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If they're both top shelf, calibrated, connected to a top shelf dvd player and everything is tricked out as much as it can be tricked out, what difference am I going to see other than a size one?


Well-made CRT-based front projectors using eight- and nine-inch CRTs can resolve all the resolution available in a 720P or 1080i signal, something which is beyond the capability of most if not all RPTVs currently on the market. And a good DLP-based front projector, such as the new Sharp 10000, not only can resolve more but have a much better contrast ratio and incredible light output.

Add to the above the more immersive experience of watching a film on an 82- to 110-inch-wide screen, and there you go.
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4/17/03 at 11:54am
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Thanks Jack, that sure answers my question. Now though, I REALLY want a FP!
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4/17/03 at 12:12pm
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When I was looking at RPTV's (a few years ago), I saw this RPTV (I forget exactly what brand, but I seem to recall it being a Panasonic) that used a plasma display for it's projection. Basically, there was a small plasma display inside the tv (like 12" or something like that) and it used that to project the image on the tv screen. The tv was quite expensive but the picture looked incredible.

Has anyone heard of this? Did this technology stick around or did it die out?
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4/17/03 at 12:37pm
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I find this pretty surprising. I went from a 27" direct view to a Toshiba 65" 16:9 RPTV, and was immediately VERY pleased with the quality of DVD on the set. Poor transfers stick out more, but good ones really look terrific.


Agreed. Perhaps the original poster just had his expectations set too high.

Overall, I was floored by the quality of my DVD's. I will admit, however once I had seen a true HD signal, my opinion of DVD quality has dropped slightly... but.. that'll all be fixed by Blu-ray, right?
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4/17/03 at 12:58pm
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Uh, how far away from the HDTV screen are you sitting? It's a growing problem: TV screens are becoming too big; the typical living room isn't big enough to hold both the set and the couch at the proper viewing distance.

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4/17/03 at 1:08pm
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Wayne, as I said, advantage #2 of FP. The screen is on the wall, 2-3 feet further back than a RPTV.
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4/17/03 at 3:15pm
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typical living room isn't big enough to hold both the set and the couch at the proper viewing distance


My feelings exactly. Why on earth do people need screens so big?.

If you have a dedicated HT room big enough for it that's OK but in a normal size room I don't get it.
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4/17/03 at 4:37pm
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Mitch, sorry to hear that you had such a horrible experience with viewing dvd's on an hdtv. I have quite the opposite opinion. I have owned many different display devices. Front projection, direct view and rptv and by far my current 64 inch 16x9 hdtv blows them all away. Yes some transfers do look like crap on it but that is not the hdtv's fault, it is the fauly of the crappy transfer onto dvd. The reason I purchased my hdtv is because of the stunning picture I get from a progressive scan dvd player. I didn't even buy it for hdtv, although soon I will be gettin an hdtv tuner. Anyway, me and my guests are always stunned by the picture quality of my set, I love it! And also I have a pretty nice 27 inch flat screen direct view tv that I have a progressive scan dvd player hooked up to that doesn't come close to the picture quality I get with my hd rptv.

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4/17/03 at 9:10pm
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Well-made CRT-based front projectors using eight- and nine-inch CRTs can resolve all the resolution available in a 720P or 1080i signal, something which is beyond the capability of most if not all RPTVs currently on the market.
How much do those 9" CRT projectors cost? And you do realize there are at least some RPTV's with 9" guns (the Mits 72" Diamond springs to mind).

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And a good DLP-based front projector, such as the new Sharp 10000, not only can resolve more but have a much better contrast ratio and incredible light output.
There are also RPTV's available using the very same HD2 chipset, and they sell for considerably less than the Sharp 10000.

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Add to the above the more immersive experience of watching a film on an 82- to 110-inch-wide screen, and there you go.
This I will agree with, and that's why I want a dedicated home theater with a FP setup in my next house. But you can still get a fairly immersive experience from a RPTV, the only difference is in the viewing distance.

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4/17/03 at 9:11pm
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I find it hard to believe that a calibrated HDTV looks worse then an analog 27 inch.

I have the 40 inch XBR and it absolutely floors any Sony analog tv out there with DVD images.
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4/17/03 at 10:46pm
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Well, like someone else mentioned, that an HDTV, will show way more flaws in the source recording than an analog TV can. I never said it looked WORSE though, but it looks nowhere near FILM-LIKE! Anyone who thinks so, really needs to go to a THX certified cinema immediately and compare the two.

I guess I did have extremely high expectations when it came to HDTVs. What have I learned from this thread? A lot actually....I finally learned what FPTV is, and RPTV, although, i'm still not sure that Direct view is.

What would a Plasma TV be considered? I have seen Plasma TVs on store displays, but they are NOT calibrated at all, but still look quite vivid, and life-like. The colors are bright, and images appear very sharp. I'm very interested in seeing one of these properly calibrated.
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4/18/03 at 12:32am
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Mitch,

I know what my eyes tell me, and looking at DVD's on my display makes me think i'm watching film rather than video which should be the goal for a HT set up. It just looks that way because the image doesn't have any of the give away tell tale signs of video i.e. chroma noise, scan lines, jagged edges etc, and the characteristics of a projected image makes it look like that even more so.

Film-LIKE, doesn't mean film-EXACT, obviously. It's the ILLUSION of film that i'm talking about.

And to be honest, and this is just me, I really don't care for plasma displays at this point. They look very cool, but just about every one that i've seen exhibits excessive pixelation, you can actually see the pixels that make up the image and that's a big turn off for me. Besides, last I heard plasma's can't be calibrated to NTSC standards, but that was some time ago, that may not be the case now.

The only reason I see for getting one is for sheer boasting rights to the neighbors..."Hey Bob, guess what I got? One of those futuristic tv's that hang's on the wall like on Star Trek, isn't that cool!?"

When they improve things with plasma's maybe i'll give one a shot, but right now I can't justify spending that kind of money on anything less than perfection. They aren't worth the price tag, all flash...and very little substance.

Give me a good tried and true RP monitor anyday.
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