ZULU - On Bluray ( UK )

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  1. dannyboy104

    dannyboy104 Stunt Coordinator

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    further insight taken from Widescreen Museum - The Technirama Wing - Page 3 showing the frame marker
    Technirama® vs Super Technirama® 70 Image Sizes
    There is often some misunderstanding about how much image is lost in one dimension or other when Technirama negatives make 70mm versus 35mm prints. The 35mm screen ratio was 2.35:1, as per CinemaScope, and the 70mm ratio was 2.21:1, as per Todd-AO. This is not a very great difference. Since the camera negative in the Technirama system created an image with a ratio of 2.25:1, both formats could be extracted with virtually no image loss, as clearly indicated in the sketch above. The extraction areas are so similar that it would not be necessary to use separate camera finder markings in order to protect action within the frame, though the finders actually did have such markings. Please note that the indicated areas are not the exact extraction areas used by Technicolor, they are simply an illustration of how little the difference is between the available extraction areas.
     
  2. MarkRowley

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    I cannot agree with OliverK

    IMO the movie looks great. I'm very happy with it

    and it's certainly an improvement over the SDVD.
     
  3. OliverK

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    I am very aware of the technical aspects of the format, that's why I pointed out that the aspect ratio is 2.35 and not the one that theatrical 70mm prints would have had.
    I wonder why this aspect ratio would have been chosen if indeed the master created for this transfer is from the original horizontal elements, but maybe it isn't ?
     
  4. OliverK

    OliverK Cinematographer

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    An improvement over the DVD is not what my yardstick is, but the best transfers out there in the Blu-Ray format. Compared to them Zulu is a big disappointment for me and it certainly does not look like film anymore. As you can still see this movie is pure eye candy and if a master was properly harvested from the original horizontal elements and put on Blu-Ray with care and with the hands off the DNR and EE buttons on the mastering equipment it could be another reference transfer.
    This coming from Paramount after the quality transfers of Indy IV, Iron Man and The Godfather collection is a big disappointment for me.
     
  5. willyTass

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    but it was shot on plastic , not film [​IMG]
     
  6. Danny_N

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    Watched it a few days ago and it looks much better than Patton. There is some DNR but not so much that fine detail is totally gone as is the case with Patton. I could easily spot fine detail in the red tunics and the actor's faces for instance (beware that the make-up is quite heavy on some actor's faces which makes their faces clayish but that's not because of DNR). Although it does look artificial to a degree, I never had the feeling that I was watching a videogame instead of film. I enjoyed the disc despite the flaws.
     
  7. dannyboy104

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    I agree with the comment about the make-up with this film.The new Blu-Ray reveals the over use of make-up,which can make the actor's skin tone's look slightly odd.For instance you can now see, really clearly Michael Caine's light blue eye liner! It appears that the leads had more make up applied than the supports who tend to look more natural.

    Looking towards the opening scenes,featuring Ulla Jacobsson as Margareta Witt,the BCU of the actress shows plenty of detail,making out the powder make-up on her face.(The closer shot was done in the studio and the group shot on location)

    The other aspect that needs to be mentioned is the lighting,which more often than not,was achieved by three small lamps on the top of the camera,this can bring a slightly harsh and unnatural look on M/S and MCU's.

    I viewed this on a 106" scope frame,1080/24p and it became clear that careful attention is needed in the colour set up,namely the reds and those tunic's.

    The scene where Rev Otto Witt (Jack Hawkins) rides away with great speed with his daughter,you can see a stunt man with very large dark side burns standing in for Jack.

    I couldn't detect any compression issues or EE,and would like to know where this is,to be able to view in real time.

    Audio wise,there is a nice stereo spread,but this is the weak spot for this release,and could have done with a complete re-working with what remaining elements are left.
     
  8. Jim_K

    Jim_K Executive Producer

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    So does it look as good or better than the HD of Grand Prix since you ordered it? [​IMG] or did you ignore your own advise? [​IMG]
    As usual I'm going to have to order this myself since...well...I like to form my own opinions with my own eyes and on my own equipment. I'm crazy like that.
    Anyone know if The ITV U.K. blu-ray of The Ipcress File that's getting released next week is region free?http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/B001DOM03C/ref=dp_image_0/279-0906577-4318541?ie=UTF8&n=283926&s=dvd
     
  9. OliverK

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    Must be expensive some times to be you [​IMG]
     
  10. dannyboy104

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    I expect The ITV "The Ipcress File" to be region free,as the ITV disc's I own,have been region free so far.
     
  11. OliverK

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    I will upload a few caps tonight, here is the first one:

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    The guy on the right must even have makeup on his arm and the bandage on him looks kind of pasty, too.
     
  12. Jim_K

    Jim_K Executive Producer

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    Not really, no more than anyone else. But collecting movies and home theater has never been cheap. Now if a $20 BD is going to cripple your finances then this isn't the hobby for you. [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  13. Ed St. Clair

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    Looking forward too that!
    Thanks, again.
     
  14. OliverK

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    Well in my case after that 14 ft screen, the 1080p projector and the 7.2 speaker system there is simply not enough money left for any movies [​IMG]
     
  15. OliverK

    OliverK Cinematographer

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    more:



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  16. Danny_N

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    Is this going to be the AVS kind of staring-at-caps-pseudo-science?
    Caps only give an indication and it is very easy to pass judgement based on a few screencaps, I find myself falling in that trap sometimes but films should be watched in motion.
    Yes there is some DNR and it is heavier in some scenes than in others but as a whole and in motion, Zulu looks much better than Patton. I enjoyed it fwiw.
     
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    Ummm...what faults am I supposed to be looking for in those caps? They look pretty good to me...
     
  18. OliverK

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    Patton is more even and has less EE. It might be DNR'd and degrained a little more, but the jumps in quality on Zulu make up for that in my subjective assessment. Why you think that Zulu is much better than Patton is honestly beyond me, but hey it is your opinion that counts for you.
     
  19. OliverK

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    Ed, I just peeked into the DVD of Zulu that I last watched some 4 years ago and there is no comparison - the Blu-Ray is much better.
    The fault of the Zulu Blu-Ray IMO lies in the fact that is falls short of what it could have been. It is still the version to get if you want to watch/own a digital copy of the movie.
     
  20. OliverK

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    You are not supposed to look for faults - if you are fine with what you see go ahead and get the Blu-Ray.
    If you were sensitive to it you could see that DNR has rendered most faces in those caps rather plasticised - fine detail in faces is obscured or missing and the same goes for surfaces made of wood or stone.
     

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