Your personal biggest Oscar upset?

Discussion in 'Movies' started by Ronald Epstein, Dec 1, 2010.

  1. Mikael Soderholm

    Mikael Soderholm Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 1999
    Messages:
    575
    Likes Received:
    81
    Location:
    Stockholm, SWEDEN
    Real Name:
    Mikael Söderholm
    Although there are some fine examples above, which I, mostly, agree with, the first thing that came into my mind when I read the thread title was 1998, when Kim Basinger beat Julianne Moore (in Boogie Nights) and Gloria Stuart (in Titanic) for best supporting actress. I think that was when I lost interest in the Oscars...


    Then I saw that the topic was best picture, but by them I was already worked up enough to post anyway ;)

    It still is, after all, my biggest Oscar upset.
     
  2. Jonathan Peterson

    Jonathan Peterson Second Unit

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2006
    Messages:
    292
    Likes Received:
    0
    E.T. winning for best visual effects instead of Blade Runner. Wrong, just plain wrong.
     
  3. Mark-P

    Mark-P Producer

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2005
    Messages:
    3,004
    Likes Received:
    879
    Location:
    Camas, WA
    Real Name:
    Mark Probst
    This thread is entitled "personal" biggest Oscar upset, so I don't expect anyone to agree with my opinions, but for me:

    1981: Chariots of Fire - it should have been REDS

    1995: Braveheart - it should have been APOLLO 13
     
  4. Walter Kittel

    Walter Kittel Producer

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 1998
    Messages:
    5,621
    Likes Received:
    530
    In terms of omissions, I was extremely disappointed when Ian Holm did not receive an acting nomination for The Sweet Hereafter. The film did receive two Academy Award nominations for Direction and Writing (Atom Egoyan) but was really (IMHO) under-represented. The same year, the incredible Eve's Bayou got zip from the Academy. Not really surprised, but disappointed.


    Edit: On the other hand two of my favorite Academy Award winning films have been mentioned in this thread in the pejorative sense - Chariots of Fire and The English Patient. Win some, lose some.


    - Walter.
     
  5. Mark-P

    Mark-P Producer

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2005
    Messages:
    3,004
    Likes Received:
    879
    Location:
    Camas, WA
    Real Name:
    Mark Probst
    Speaking of injustices in the visual effects department, for 1995, "Apollo 13" should have won over "Babe" I'm sorry, but making animals' mouths move is not nearly impressive as digitally recreating all the NASA stuff from scratch.

     
  6. Steve Christou

    Steve Christou Long Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2000
    Messages:
    15,478
    Likes Received:
    308
    Location:
    London, England
    Real Name:
    Steve Christou
    John Williams not winning for Superman the Movie.


    Jerry Goldsmith not winning for Star Trek the Motion Picture.


    Ennio Morricone not winning for The Mission.


    Danny Elfman not even nominated for Edward Scissorhands.
     
  7. mattCR

    mattCR Executive Producer
    Reviewer

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2005
    Messages:
    10,512
    Likes Received:
    385
    Location:
    Overland Park, KS
    Real Name:
    Matt

    Eve's Bayou is one of those films that surprised me how good it was. Still think that's a phenomenal, under appreciated work. I love the Sweet Hereafter also, but too damn depressing for it to have repeat watch value.
     
  8. WillG

    WillG Producer

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2003
    Messages:
    5,565
    Likes Received:
    114
    Can't tell if that is a serious question. But, I don't believe the audience is supposed to be thinking that Damon is channeling Hanks and literally recalling his story. It's just a transition from one person's POV to another's.
     
  9. Michael Elliott

    Michael Elliott Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2003
    Messages:
    7,419
    Likes Received:
    179
    Location:
    KY
    Real Name:
    Michael Elliott
    I would defend many of the nominations being brought up in this thread. Certain films just need time to get their credit. RAGING BULL is a masterpiece but I'd say a lot of people throught OP was the better movie in 1980. Many critics voted RB as the greatest film of the decade yet when you look at their Top 10 from 1980, RB isn't #1 and on some lists it isn't in the top 10.

    THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH won Best Picture because it was a lifetime award to DeMille.


    The same with Bogart beating Brando.

    The same, probably, with John Wayne winning for TRUE GRIT.


    The show has always had dark spots but for me personally it's gotten a lot worse in recent years. With Bullock winning last year I'm happy to turn my back on the show as being nothing more than trash. You can't even call her winning a "Lifetime" award because she hasn't done anything in her career to make her worth winning. The actresses from PRECIOUS and AN EDUCATION did more in these one performances than Bullock will do in her career.


    As a film buff I'm always going to be interested in who wins but some of the winners over the past few years just go beyond any common sense. It's not like THE BLIND SIDE is going to get better ten years from now like something like RAGING BULL did.

    The politics have also gotten to hot my my tastes here lately. I love Sean Penn and he's my favorite actor but him winning over Rourke wasn't right IMO. The same with CRASH winning Best Picture or Charlton Heston not getting any cheers when his picture was shown after his passing.
     
  10. Jacinto

    Jacinto Second Unit

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2002
    Messages:
    440
    Likes Received:
    59
    Location:
    Littleton, Colorado
    Real Name:
    Jacinto
    What I find most interesting is the investment people have in certain films winning over others. I loved both Goodfellas and Dances With Wolves. I would have been fine with either winning. I loved both Saving Private Ryan and Shakespeare In Love, although I find Shakespeare In Love far more rewatchable. I would have been fine with either winning. I loved Forrest Gump, Pulp Fiction, and Shawshank. I would have been fine with whichever won. I loved Crash and Brokeback. I would have been fine with either winning. I loved Braveheart and Apollo 13. I would have been fine with either winning. 1995 is probably my toughest year, and that's because what I have problems with is great films not even getting the recognition of a nomination. As much as I love Braveheart and Apollo 13, in my eyes the two best films of that year were Se7en and Heat, neither of which was even nominated. That to me is the graver injustice than which film actually won the award over another excellent film.
     
  11. Russell G

    Russell G Fake Shemp
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2002
    Messages:
    11,091
    Likes Received:
    534
    Location:
    Deadmonton
    Real Name:
    Russell
    Ha ha, not a "serious" serious question, but an example of what I found to be incredibly sloppy screen writing with the sole purpose to manipulate the audience. If I recall correctly, you see an old man walk up to a grave, then it zooms in on his eyes and you hear war sounds. Then it cuts to Tom Hanks and the war. that's pretty solid film speak for "This is the memory of the guy the camera is zooming in on, his point of view". You see this device in films dating back to the silent days. Then Speilberg pulls the weasel so the audience has to watch an old man break down in front of his family. The movie would of been better without that slop, but it's Spielberg, the good outweighs the bad ultimately. The bit between the old man bookends was good enough for me. :)
     
  12. MatthewA

    MatthewA Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2000
    Messages:
    6,917
    Likes Received:
    749
    Location:
    Salinas, CA
    Real Name:
    Matthew
    Hindsight is 20/20. I usually dislike all these threads and articles because no one can predict what current films will stand the test of time when choosing the best film of the year, because time hasn't yet administered the test. But even I have my beef with the Oscars (which I've ignored lately for the same reasons I've ignored most current, mainstream American movies).


    Best Picture:


    1952: Singin' in the Rain was not nominated, likely because An American in Paris took home the prize last year. Of the nominated films, I would personally have given it to The Bad and the Beautiful (I shamefully admit to never having seen High Noon).


    1968: I have no problem with Oliver!, one of the best musicals of the decade, taking home the prize, but I agree 2001: A Space Odyssey should have at least been nominated. Does anyone anywhere believe Rachel, Rachel deserved the nomination more?


    1982: Gandhi over E.T. Even Richard Attenborough agrees.


    1988: I was never impressed with Rain Man in and of itself or when compared to A Fish Called Wanda, Mississippi Burning, or Who Framed Roger Rabbit.


    1997: Titanic: Don't love it, don't hate it, don't think it was the Best Picture of the year. I think people were relieved that it wasn't a total debacle; people seem to have forgotten the hype about the cost overruns, its falling way behind schedule, and the fact that James Cameron had to sell his interest in the film to finish it.


    2002: I liked Chicago when I saw it, and it's the last winner I've actually seen, but I like it less and less as time goes on. I don't think it was Best Picture caliber, but Miramax is based on the French word for "shameless Oscar grab", and it had been 34 years since a musical won it.


    2009: Ten nominees. Listen to Neal Gabler's NPR interview about "cultural inflation"; he expresses my feelings much better than I do.


    If they screw over Toy Story 3 this year then it's over between Oscar and I. I know the Academy has a bias against anything perceived as a children's film, but I'll watch a good movie for kids over a bad movie for adults any day.


    Best Actor:


    1965: Christopher Plummer not nominated for The Sound of Music. The more I watch the film, the more I appreciate his contribution to it.


    Best Actress:


    1965: Julie Andrews, who won last year, loses the award for The Sound of Music.


    Best Supporting Actor:


    2005: George Clooney. Totally political award to honor this terrible actor for saying the right things, and his acceptance speech was the most hubristic in Oscar history. His career proves that connections mean everything in this business.


    Best Adapted Screenplay:


    1965: Ernest Lehman's epic task of adapting The Sound of Music for the screen went unnoticed by the Academy, but at least the award went to a worthy adversary (Robert Bolt for Doctor Zhivago).


    Best Song:


    1967: "Talk To The Animals", an above-average song from Doctor Doolittle, over the superior "Bare Necessities" from The Jungle Book, or "The Look of Love," the best thing about Casino Royale.


    1977: Debbie Boone's awful, overplayed "You Light Up My Life" over any of the other nominees, especially the moving "Candle on the Water" from Pete's Dragon, and considering that "New York, New York" wasn't nominated, nor were any of the songs from Saturday Night Fever (if AM radio ballads were the in thing with Oscar voters, "How Deep is Your Love" should have been a shoo-in). I would have given the award to any other song from a movie that year. And I'm actually a fan of 1970s adult contemporary, for god's sake! You can tell I hate that song.


    1979: The now-iconic "Rainbow Connection" from The Muppet Movie over the now-forgotten "It Goes Like it Goes" from Norma Rae.


    1986: The bland "Take My Breath Away" from Top Gun over the beautiful "Somewhere Out There" from An American Tail or even "Glory of Love" from Karate Kid II.


    1999: "When She Loved Me" from Toy Story 2 loses. I don't even care who it lost to, just the fact that this song lost bothers me.


    2002: Eminem's "Lose Yourself" from 8 Mile over anything with a melody.
     
  13. Colin Jacobson

    Colin Jacobson Producer

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2000
    Messages:
    5,892
    Likes Received:
    477

    Disagree - I think "Schindler's List" takes that prize.


    When the dull, long-winded "Gandhi" beat "ET", I threw my shoe at the TV...
     
  14. Steve Christou

    Steve Christou Long Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2000
    Messages:
    15,478
    Likes Received:
    308
    Location:
    London, England
    Real Name:
    Steve Christou


    ...and when A Beautiful Mind beat The Fellowship of the Ring I threw myself at the TV...



    On the Gandhi DVD seems even Richard Attenborough was upset that his film beat E.T. :)
     
  15. Russell G

    Russell G Fake Shemp
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2002
    Messages:
    11,091
    Likes Received:
    534
    Location:
    Deadmonton
    Real Name:
    Russell
    Lesson to be learned... sit in the back of the room when watching the Oscars with Colin or Steve.... :P







     
  16. Russell G

    Russell G Fake Shemp
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2002
    Messages:
    11,091
    Likes Received:
    534
    Location:
    Deadmonton
    Real Name:
    Russell

    I agree. "Schindler's List" seems to have been made just to get an Oscar. It was practically advertised as such. It's not a bad movie, just an obvious one. I thought "The Pianist" did a better job of that type of story. "The Pianist" lost to "Chicago", another one of those actor showcase type pictures. "Catherine Zeta Jones can sing and dance?!!?!? In a MOVIE?!?! Actors are the greatest! Best picture!"


    I'm being unfair though, I'm yet to see "Chicago", it looked terrible to me. It might be a decent movie, but I doubt as good as "The Pianist", "Gangs Of New York", or "The Two Towers". :P


    That's the other thing that irks me about the Oscars. There was a lot of press about "Fellowship of the Ring" and "Two Towers" being passed over for "Return Of The King". As if in the case of "Return Of The King" being crap, then the academy wouldn't be embarrassed of giving best picture nods to the first two. What the hell is that about? A movie is a movie, the politics involved are crushing. "Fellowship" was just as good, if not better then "Return Of the King", and a huge achievement. The Best Documentary section is a joke when it come to the awards and the politics involved.
     
  17. mattCR

    mattCR Executive Producer
    Reviewer

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2005
    Messages:
    10,512
    Likes Received:
    385
    Location:
    Overland Park, KS
    Real Name:
    Matt


    These sometimes make me a bit sick, I can't even think about two of them.


    Candle in the Water is one of the most underrated Disney belts.. ever. Helen Reddy just absolutely destroys the audience with that one






    When She Loved me is a classic; Tarzan one that year for "You'll Be In My Heart" which wasn't bad.. but "When She Loved Me" is gutwrenching.


    I've always felt the song category is too often bought by a combination of "buzz" and politic, with too little about real quality.
     
  18. MatthewA

    MatthewA Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2000
    Messages:
    6,917
    Likes Received:
    749
    Location:
    Salinas, CA
    Real Name:
    Matthew
    Quote: Originally Posted by Larry Bender

    Candle in the Water is one of the most underrated Disney belts.. ever. Helen Reddy just absolutely destroys the audience with that one






    I've always felt the song category is too often bought by a combination of "buzz" and politic, with too little about real quality.



    "Lighted by a prayer" is probably the most difficult passage to sing in any Disney song I can think of, because it's 2 1/2 bars with no room to breathe. Ironically, the Oscars were sometimes slow little slow to pick up on new musical trends (the Beatles never got a nomination for any of their films' songs), but other times they did follow trends ("Last Dance", one of Donna Summer's biggest hits, from Thank God it's Friday, won in 1978).


    The Best Song Oscar can be as bad as the Grammys sometimes.
     
  19. Chris_T

    Chris_T Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2000
    Messages:
    208
    Likes Received:
    0
     
  20. Yee-Ming

    Yee-Ming Producer

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2002
    Messages:
    4,357
    Likes Received:
    10
    Location:
    "on a little street in Singapore"
    Real Name:
    Yee Ming Lim


    IIRC, NASA astronauts on being shown the work in progress apparently thought that the producers had managed to find additional archive footage that they hadn't previously seen. So if the men who were really there were fooled into thinking effects work was the real thing, who are we to question otherwise?
     

Share This Page