Rob, LOL, I know what you mean. I was posting on this thread the other day and was thinking the same thing as I was typing. (what is the point of this thread?) Personaly the fact that a receiver doesn't make its specs is no real headline news. I don't know of many brands that hit all of their specs. (yes, I know that company's do hit their specs so nobody list them all to me ) I don't think that if a receiver doesn't hit its wattage though that that will put it "low end" or ahave to "rebuild their rep". i would be more concerned about the older Denons audio drop out problems, the newer up-conversion issue, or H/K center channel hiss and other issues I have heard. These are all bugs that got by the manufactor that should not have in the first place. And I am certainly not saying that these company's rep needs improving, they had a few problems now it is time to move on. They are still awesome companies.