Alex.D
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My apologies for the upcoming long post. I figure, by providing all the information I know, I'll seem like less of a newbie, and maybe get better advice
The short version:
I want a changer that can play as many formats as well as possible. Focus on audio, as my TV sucks (Panasonic CT-24SX11 with uncontrollable green tint on component input), and there's no chance of getting it upgraded until I graduate from grad school (6 months), get a decent paying job, and move out of my parents' house
So, choices:
Yamaha DVD-C750 - $263 shipped from a reputable retailer - etronics.com
Onkyo DV-C802 - $350 shipped (On special?) from JandR.com
Which would you choose, and why?
My current setup:
Harman Kardon AVR-320 receiver
Dahlquist QX4 fronts and surrounds
QX40C center
QX100S sub
Crappy Panasonic CT-24SX11 with a distinct green tint on component input and more overscan than I'd like) It would not do justice to a $500+ player (i.e. Denon 2910) plus the high-end crowd seems to dislike changers as a rule.
What I know so far:
I've taken the Toshiba 6915 out of the contention due to multiple issues.
So, I'm left with two models: Yamaha DVD-C750 and Onkyo DV-C802. The current lowest prices I've found were $263 for the Yamaha (From Etronics.com) and $350 for the Onkyo (from JandR.com)
I'd like to be able to get the best audio quality given current upstream components. I realize the video quality is limited by my crappy TV (which was picked because it was the biggest set I could fit in my furniture, even a 24" Sony was too wide), but I'm getting this more for multichannel audio experience than a visual extravaganza.
Onkyo advantages:
1 extra disc bay (6 instead of 5)
More solid construction / heft
"Video Circuit Off" button - For that extra undetectable boost in audio quality!
Aesthetics - The green LED dot-matrix display is retro-geek.
Better remote - FF/REW separate from track/chapter skip buttons
Direct disc access (instead of "next disc" button on Yamaha)
Onkyo disadvantages:
No DivX
Some shuffle issues reported (not all tracks get shuffled, many repeats before all tracks get played). This is irrelevant to me, I never use shuffle.
Onkyo wildcards:
Audio quality - is it better than Yamaha?
HDCD support
Bass management for DVD-A and SACD (Crossover point, slope)
Robustness of mp3 handling (320KBPS, VBR, ID3 support?)
PCM conversion of SACD material (Does it ever happen?)
DVD+R handling (not specified in manual, but reported to work)
Yamaha advantages:
DivX support
Official DVD+R support
On-screen navigation for data CDR's (DivX, MP3)
ID3 tag support (I'm currently working on tagging my MP3's!)
$87 cheaper
1/4" shallower (I barely have 16 inches of shelf depth to work with, 16 3/4" is pushing it)
Video quality (Irrelevant - my 24" Panasonic is the limiting factor)
Yamaha disadvantages:
Less CD slots
Worse remote
Fixed 120hz crossover point (but close enough for my Dahlquist QX4's?)
Yamaha wildcards:
Shuffle (not a big deal even if it's completely broken)
PCM conversion of SACD material (When doing bass management? Always?)
This SACD to PCM is pretty important to me on a philosophical level. Basically, if the format's main feature is nearly infinite temporal resolution, chopping it into relatively long "samples" makes the whole exercise pointless. If I'm going to take the time to listen to high-rez audio, I want to hear it in its purest form - with no lost resolution due to format changes or extra A/D conversion stages.
The longer version:
As a belated winter holidays present for myself, I can finally get a universal DVD changer. My parents are taking my old-ish JVC XV-SA70BK for one of their TV's, a unit I never really liked using (You know how you can close the CD tray and, while the player is collecting its wits, hit the next track button several times to begin playback several tracks/chapters ahead? The XV-SA70BK flat out refused to do it - I had to wait for it to load the CD and THEN hit the skip track button) Plus I get to replace both the above DVD player and my Denon DCM-360 (Alpha Processing made it sound REALLY nice with my old analog stereo receiver, but the lack of digital out means it's not meant to be hooked up to an HT receiver that forces A/D conversion on analog inputs) with a multidisc do-it-all unit.
I'm looking forward to being able to watch "regular" DVD's without the need to get my entire home theater involved in the operation. The JVC didn't have a separate L/R audio output, so I couldn't get sound on my TV - just on the receiver. With the ability to hook up my TV to audio out on the DVD, I can pop in and watch a Sports Night DVD without making a big production out of it and waking my parents up with the sub
The short version:
I want a changer that can play as many formats as well as possible. Focus on audio, as my TV sucks (Panasonic CT-24SX11 with uncontrollable green tint on component input), and there's no chance of getting it upgraded until I graduate from grad school (6 months), get a decent paying job, and move out of my parents' house
So, choices:
Yamaha DVD-C750 - $263 shipped from a reputable retailer - etronics.com
Onkyo DV-C802 - $350 shipped (On special?) from JandR.com
Which would you choose, and why?
My current setup:
Harman Kardon AVR-320 receiver
Dahlquist QX4 fronts and surrounds
QX40C center
QX100S sub
Crappy Panasonic CT-24SX11 with a distinct green tint on component input and more overscan than I'd like) It would not do justice to a $500+ player (i.e. Denon 2910) plus the high-end crowd seems to dislike changers as a rule.
What I know so far:
I've taken the Toshiba 6915 out of the contention due to multiple issues.
So, I'm left with two models: Yamaha DVD-C750 and Onkyo DV-C802. The current lowest prices I've found were $263 for the Yamaha (From Etronics.com) and $350 for the Onkyo (from JandR.com)
I'd like to be able to get the best audio quality given current upstream components. I realize the video quality is limited by my crappy TV (which was picked because it was the biggest set I could fit in my furniture, even a 24" Sony was too wide), but I'm getting this more for multichannel audio experience than a visual extravaganza.
Onkyo advantages:
1 extra disc bay (6 instead of 5)
More solid construction / heft
"Video Circuit Off" button - For that extra undetectable boost in audio quality!
Aesthetics - The green LED dot-matrix display is retro-geek.
Better remote - FF/REW separate from track/chapter skip buttons
Direct disc access (instead of "next disc" button on Yamaha)
Onkyo disadvantages:
No DivX
Some shuffle issues reported (not all tracks get shuffled, many repeats before all tracks get played). This is irrelevant to me, I never use shuffle.
Onkyo wildcards:
Audio quality - is it better than Yamaha?
HDCD support
Bass management for DVD-A and SACD (Crossover point, slope)
Robustness of mp3 handling (320KBPS, VBR, ID3 support?)
PCM conversion of SACD material (Does it ever happen?)
DVD+R handling (not specified in manual, but reported to work)
Yamaha advantages:
DivX support
Official DVD+R support
On-screen navigation for data CDR's (DivX, MP3)
ID3 tag support (I'm currently working on tagging my MP3's!)
$87 cheaper
1/4" shallower (I barely have 16 inches of shelf depth to work with, 16 3/4" is pushing it)
Video quality (Irrelevant - my 24" Panasonic is the limiting factor)
Yamaha disadvantages:
Less CD slots
Worse remote
Fixed 120hz crossover point (but close enough for my Dahlquist QX4's?)
Yamaha wildcards:
Shuffle (not a big deal even if it's completely broken)
PCM conversion of SACD material (When doing bass management? Always?)
This SACD to PCM is pretty important to me on a philosophical level. Basically, if the format's main feature is nearly infinite temporal resolution, chopping it into relatively long "samples" makes the whole exercise pointless. If I'm going to take the time to listen to high-rez audio, I want to hear it in its purest form - with no lost resolution due to format changes or extra A/D conversion stages.
The longer version:
As a belated winter holidays present for myself, I can finally get a universal DVD changer. My parents are taking my old-ish JVC XV-SA70BK for one of their TV's, a unit I never really liked using (You know how you can close the CD tray and, while the player is collecting its wits, hit the next track button several times to begin playback several tracks/chapters ahead? The XV-SA70BK flat out refused to do it - I had to wait for it to load the CD and THEN hit the skip track button) Plus I get to replace both the above DVD player and my Denon DCM-360 (Alpha Processing made it sound REALLY nice with my old analog stereo receiver, but the lack of digital out means it's not meant to be hooked up to an HT receiver that forces A/D conversion on analog inputs) with a multidisc do-it-all unit.
I'm looking forward to being able to watch "regular" DVD's without the need to get my entire home theater involved in the operation. The JVC didn't have a separate L/R audio output, so I couldn't get sound on my TV - just on the receiver. With the ability to hook up my TV to audio out on the DVD, I can pop in and watch a Sports Night DVD without making a big production out of it and waking my parents up with the sub