http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9018/M...box-360-Price/ Here it is in a nutshell: Standard 360 Pack ($299) Console w/ controller (NOT wireless) Composite AV Cable Faceplate Ultimate Premium 360 Pack ($399) Console w/ wireless controller Faceplate 20 GB Detachable hardrive XBL Headset Bonus Media Player Remote Silver XBL membership Component HD Cable Why on earth you'd go for the standard pack is beyond me... not a very good deal. It also makes me mad that developers have to plan ahead w/some consoles NOT having a HD, so it likely wont be used to its full potential in gaming. $400 for the ultimate 360 experience... I dunno, Ill have to pass for now. What do you guys think?