Will I miss not having 720p ?

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  1. DanielKellmii

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    I am thinking of buying a HD RPTV that doesn't have 720p. I am wondering if I will miss not having that feature? My goal is to make my DVDs and nice looking as possible. I don't have digital cable and I am not going to bother paying for it. So, for regular TV broadcast, which I hardly watch anyways, the pic can look any way it wants.
    Thanks.
     
  2. Shane Martin

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    The only thing that you will miss is if you own an Xbox and that's it. Otherwise I have not found the upconversion to 1080 from 720p to be objectionable at all.
     
  3. DanielKellmii

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    Anybody?
     
  4. Tim Jin

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    720p is not common for RPTV's. There are 720p sets out there, but most RPTV's are 1080i. If you want a 720p set, you should look at DLP, LCD, or high end Plasmas.

    That being said, 1080i looks very good on a RPTV. Is it worth paying for 720p on a RPTV?? That is up to you, but for the most of us, 1080i looks awesome on a RPTV.

    If I want a true 720p set, I would get an high end Pioneer Plasma. At that point, 10k is nothing to the consumer. 720p looks awesome on a Plasma. I can see a difference from 1080i, but a high end plasma is out of my price range.

    You mention that you want to make your DVD look good as possible. Progressive scan DVD player only does 480p at the most. There are players that will upconvert it to 1080i or less, but as far as I know, there is no player that does 720p.

    If you are just going to watch regular cable and not upgrade to digital or HD, 720p won't help here either because regular cable is 480i at best and even digital channels are 480i.

    HD channels are usually converted over to 1080i, depending on the stb.

    For what you want to do, 720p is not needed.

    If you want the best looking picture from dvd, you are better off investing that money into a high end player instead of buying a 720p rptv.

    As for cable, that is a crap shoot.

    I see no reason to buy a 720p on a rptv.
     
  5. Chad Ferguson

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    I just posted a topic like this a few hours ago but perhaps it's better if I ask my questions here. What good is a progressive image if it's just going to be converted to an interlaced one? WOuld I notice any difference on a RPTV that is able to accept 720p from my Xbox and then converts it to 1080i compared to it just sending a 1080i image?
    Thanks
     
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    I'm in the market for a HDTV, too and I was wondering if such a set exists that displays BOTH 1080i and 720p?
     
  7. DanielKellmii

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    Tim, any recomendations for a DVD player? What kind of features would make it "high-end."


    If I had 10K for a TV, I would get a Front Projector. >sigh< maybe next year.
     
  8. Tim Jin

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    Any player that uses Faroudja for their de-interlacer.

    Denon DVD 910 uses Faroudja. Expect to pay ~$300.

    I have a Denon DVD 2200 that uses Silicon Image de-interlacer and it truly is a great player. It's the best picture that I've seen from 480p.

    The 2200 vs. 910 is about $300 more. Plus, the 2200 is an universal player. Is it worth the $300 difference? From my eyes, it's worth every penny. I saw a difference from Faroudja vs. Silicon Image, but that's me.

    Most people cannot see a difference and Faroudja image is very good.

    If you cannot see a difference from a high end player vs. a sub $100 player, there is no reason to waste your money. It's totally up to you and what you see.

    If a RPTV can do 720p it can do 1080i also. You don't need to worry. Finding a 720p RPTV will be the hard part.
     
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    The image from the 910 is very soft. It's definitely not great.

    If they're still available, try the Mitsubishi DD-8040 out.
     
  10. Seth_L

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    Not in a fixed pixel display.

    Most will show both, but they convert one to the other. There are some displays that will not convert, or display one of the two formats, but that is becoming less common.

    There are a few CRT based devices that are capable of showing both with their native scan rate, but they're more professional grade than consumer.
     
  11. Chad Ferguson

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    So the only reason a RPTV supports 720p is for compatibility reasons?
     
  12. Seth_L

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    Depends on the RPTV. DLP and LCD RP are generally have 1280x720 imagers (except Sony with 1386x788). RP CRT work off a 1080i scan rate, but they're mostly 7" CRTs which top out around 1280 lines of horizontal resolution (so, they sort have a resolution of 1280x1080).
     
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    Well, some people swear by them, some people don't like them. The bottom line is you can't put detail into the signal that isn't there.
     
  15. John S

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    "What about the DVD players that upconvert to 1080i?"

    Whatever that player does to get 1080i out of DVD's, it does real well. But it really only seems to do it well out of the analog component video out's at 1080i...

    I'm sold on it. So much so, I ordered a 2nd one and I'm leaving it in the box til if/when the one I use currently, goes out. Thinking my current HDTV will certainly out last the DVD player. Knock on wood.
     
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    If I had 10K for a TV, I would get a Front Projector

    A front PJ is cheaper in some cases.

    For Hi Def you could get a Sanyo PLV Z2 or a Panasonic PTL 500u for less than $1800.
     
  17. Max Leung

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    There are quite a few that do upconvert to 720p (and 1080i):

    Bravo D1, Bravo D2, Zenith 318, LG 7832, Momitsu V880, Samsung 931...

    The Momitsu is the only one that allows you to dial in a custom resolution (1368x788, 1024x768, 1280x1024, etc.) as far as I know.

    Also, the advantage of an upconverting DVD player is the reduction of image accutance - um, I think that means reduction of fake high-frequency information that isn't there.
     
  18. Shane Martin

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    Mine won't upcovert it. I'm not certain if others are like mine(Mits 55").

    For 10k I'd either get a Pioneer Elite CRT set and bank some cash or buy a FPTV if I could make one work.
     
  19. Seth_L

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    Panasonic and Mitsubishi have typically not converted 720p to 1080i on their CRT based products (direct view and rear projection). They will display nothing if fed a 720p signal.
     

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