The forum can argue itself till it's blue in the proverbial face about what's up, down, wrong, missing, winning, losing, better, worse, daft, silly, hissy, missy, or flawed about the two hi-rez formats, as it usually does... ....However, until these formats get easy to hook-up, totally idiotproof, single-cable digital audio connections, they just aren't ready for prime time. Wishing, whinning, or even praying can't change that. Hey you, yeah you reading this, accept this premise as fact. Ordinary folks cannot and will never accept audio equipment with such connections in this day and age. In fact, it would never occur to normal people, like my sister and her hubbie, that you'd even need a wad of analog cables to enjoy M/C SACD and DVD-A. My sis' and hubbie had an Elite 530 TV, Elite reciever, and a DV45 for over three months without realizing they were listening to the CD layer of the several SACD's they had. This I found out when visiting Christmas eve because my brother-in-law asked me what might be wrong with the Beck SEA CHANGE, single-layer Disc I gave him for his October birthday. He sez, it doesn't play. I walk over and peer into the back of their equipment rack and it's obvious why, no analog connections! The 45 has only an optical cable going to the reciever. People like us who inhabit forums often take our knowledge of all things A/V too much for granted. Face it, if you're reading this, you're proably a dawg-gone, genuine audio-vidiot or wanna-be or soon-to-be! You can't deny it can you? Hooking up audio or video equipment is proably second nature to you. That's why it's so very telling about my sis' and hubbie! It would never occur to ordinary citizens that one would have to hook-up 6 bleeding analog cables with expensive, modern auh go-go A/V equipment to get audio! Oh henry isn't that ironic? ...I didn't tell them about the bass management issues and set-up. Why? I didn't want to scare them. I'll let them hook up the 6 analog cables I told them about and next time I visit I'll casually ask them to play something M/C and see what happens. I'll keep sly about this. Easy, digital connections are the only thing that CAN get hi-rez music over the top if it's possible at all...? The "tourists" of the audio world can cope with no more. They have enough aggrivation in their lives as it is and their audio-video equipment cannot, and will not be allowed to cause them aggrivation. Hideous, expensive cabling and hard to understand player menus are one of life's aggrivations that is easily avoided, and likely will be. Now think like a tourist, use astral projection if need be , and you'll see I'm right. What few equipment combinations that include digital connections for hi-rez uni players are presently too expensive and for all practical purposes irrelevant, except to a few audio-vidiots ! Face the facts friends, Romans, and fellow forum members, SA-CD and DVD-A are locked on a nowhere road until the music companies quit sabotauging their potential with their insistence of analog connections. If either of the formats can fester along till the Muse-zak Companies relent, well, then these two fledgling formats have a chance to become mainstream. Ease of use dwarfs sound quality as a selling point to average consumers. Accept that fact and you'll sleep better at night or whenever...!?! That goes double for you Lee S.