WHV Press Release: House of Wax (3D Blu-ray)

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  1. Moe Dickstein

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    Blu is a storage format. It can hold SD or HD of any size or resolution. It is merely a container, there's nothing wrong with putting SD out on Blu. WB Archive material never gets full restoration, so if this is SD on this release you're getting what you would there on a pressed disc with House of Wax as a free bonus.
     
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    I'm all for a full restoration of MOTWM and would buy it in a heartbeat. With the near mint 35mm nitrate print that Jack Theakston discovered several years ago (now at UCLA) they can do a stunning restoration.

    With that said, HOW is an important landmark film and deserves the deluxe treatment.
    Thank you, Persianimmortal. If we get an advance screener, we will be glad to post our comments on the stereoscopic quality.
     
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    Thanks for the memories, and now that you mention it, at the House of Wax screening I attended, the print was unusually dark, I thought. Funny that I hadn't even thought about that until I read your post.
     
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    The re-issue prints were too dark and mis-timed.
    The best I've ever seen the film was the new left/right 35mm pair that WB struck in 2006. That was outstanding and we ran it at the Expo that year.

    And this new edition will be even better. I can't wait!
     
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    Ok by me.
     
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    As long as the 3-D is watchable on equipment besides a DLP setup (unlike, say, DIAL M FOR MURDER), you'll get no complaints from me. If it looks like CREATURE, I'm in. If it looks like DIAL M, I'm out.
     
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    ...and I got hell for criticizing Dial M and not including it in
    my Top 20 3D list.

    There was an abundance of ghosting in that release.

    ...and I rarely have problems with ghosting on my display.

    Some saw it, some didn’t. I am hoping that experience is not repeated
    with House of Wax.
     
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    Don't forget passive sets- DIAL M looked fine on a majority of those displays as well. Certain LCD displays and projectors have also been spec'd to meet maximum cancellation. The Panasonic AE-8000 is one LCD display example.

    Why certain 3DTVs have shortcomings has been discussed repeatedly and at length. When I purchase or recommend 3-D displays, I make sure they have L/R cancellation at least as good as theatrical 3-D presentations. Many do displays not meet this criteria. Bottom line: Shop accordingly.

    As for how HOUSE OF WAX will look on less than stellar 3-D displays, most of the time it should be on par with CREATURE, as most of the primary subject of interest takes place at the stereo window.
     
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    Greg,

    I have heard that DIAL M looks fine on passive displays.

    However, I don't agree with the hardware argument completely.

    I own close to 100 3D Blu-rays. I have reviewed dozens on this forum.

    I don't generally have a problem with crosstalk. So, if it were a hardware
    problem I would think that there would be consistency across most of the
    titles I have viewed. There isn't.

    That particular release received far more attention on crosstalk than any
    other single 3D Blu-ray release. This tells me that there was something
    about the way that film was transferred.

    ...of course, I am not an authority on these things. I can only surmise what the
    problem is based on what I am seeing across my entire collection and the
    amount of complaints that particular title received.

    BTW, Have never seen House of Wax. This is definitely the most
    anticipated release for me this year. I love discovering these classic
    3D titles. They are so much more enjoyable to watch than recent releases
    that tend to play it safe with their boundaries. Hopefully sales will be
    successful enough to spark more interest in getting more of these classics
    out into the marketplace.
     
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    I, too have a big crosstalk problem with DIAL M and am praying for better with HOUSE OF WAX. I own roughly 60 3-D movies, and run them on a terrific 55" Panny plasma. I rarely have crosstalk problems -- a few shots here and there is all. DIAL M is the worst offender by far, and I am not terribly fond of two or three others (CAVE OF FORGOTTEN DREAMS, CIRCQUE DU SOLEIL), but, like you, I wonder why all the rest of my collection looks great while these few don't, in spite of how great people say they are when played back on passive sets.
     
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    I also saw ghosting on Dial M for Murder on an active Panasonic Plasma with Pana glasses, without any such problems on other 3D titles. It wasn't atrocious, but it was the first time I've seen ghosting on my display, so it was mildly distracting in some scenes. I'm certain it isn't a hardware issue.

    Although I'm fairly confident House of Wax will come out great, I'm more than happy to wait for official confirmation from knowledgeable folks, as well as reading some normal user reviews. More than most other films, if the 3D isn't of good enough quality in this title, it's worth skipping altogether in my opinion (whereas with Dial M I would still buy it just to watch the 2D version).
     
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    I have the Panasonic AE-8000 and a Sony KDL55NX810. I don't have Dial M for Murder but the worst ghosting/crosstalk I have seen is on Hugo. For most of the movie it was fine on the Sony but the scenes at the end were pretty bad. Watching the same title on the Panasonic cleared up almost all of it.
     
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    I have a 60 inch Samsung E6500 and use Panasonic 3D glasses, i didn't notice any ghosting on Hugo, i think your viewing position can be an issue, how many of you have the television screen or projection screen at around the middle of your eye level, how many have the television on a wall too high up, that's what i would like to know, how many move their heads while watching the film or have lighting on.
     
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    Getting back to HOW, since WB has the mono surround track, I hope they at least use this for the Blu-ray. When it premiered at the NY Paramout theatre, they installed 25 surround speakers so, there must be a number of scenes where it is used.

    For you lovers of in-your-face 3D, there are the opening titles, paddle-ball and a few other short scenes that have the out-of-screen effects.
     
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    I thought the 3D on Creature was screwed up.
     
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    I just showed DIAL M to some friends: no complaints and zero ghosting/crosstalk/double-imaging etc.

    It's your displays, not the film or the transfer
     
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    Was this on your passive display?If so, I can understand why you didn't see anyghosting. People with a DLP display probably
    will not, either.The problem seems to exist for those with activeshutter displays who don't normally have a ghostingissues.

    I don't agree that it's necessarily a display problem
    other than the fact that its related to active shutter
    displays. I believe there is something in that transfer
    offsetting the 3D in those displays....but that's something
    that's not very easy to prove, so ultimately, we are going
    to have to agree to disagree.
     
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    I will chip in that DIAL M and CREATURE both look superb on my 73" Mitsubishi DLP. No ghosting of any kind, and 3D effects surpass most of my other 3D Blu-rays.
     
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    Yes, it was on the Vizio.

    As Greg has explained in earlier posts, the older films have a much wider parallax than current 3-D. That's the issue.
     
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