WHITE COLLAR on the USA Network

Discussion in 'TV Shows' started by Adam Lenhardt, Oct 24, 2009.

  1. Adam Lenhardt

    Adam Lenhardt Executive Producer

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2001
    Messages:
    17,074
    Likes Received:
    1,793
    Location:
    Albany, NY
    Since Zack Gibbs asked for it, a thread for USA Network's new sleuth dramedy "White Collar". I liked the pilot alright, but I'm not sure the "Monk" lead-in will be enough to keep me into the show. We all love Tiffani Thiessen from "Saved by the Bell" or "Beverly Hills: 90210", but her range is limited and her character is worse than useless. Alexandra Daddario is more compelling as Kate in security cam footage and a couple photographs, and the character holds a lot more promise. Tim DeKay gives a hero's effort trying to transform his straight-laced FBI protagonist into someone interesting. Matthew Bomer is the only one whose role has any meat, and he does a compelling job with it. I have to wonder what Willie Garson's character gets out of doing Bomer's grunt work for him.
     
  2. Zack Gibbs

    Zack Gibbs Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2005
    Messages:
    1,687
    Likes Received:
    2
    I liked it more than I thought I would. I hope White Collar man still shows up on Chuck if they want him to.

    I didn't much care for a couple of early events. Bryce's (lets call him that for now) knowledge of the Canadian currency wasn't plausible at all for a 4 year convict. Even worse was his falling into a life of luxury at the thrift shop. I presume they were tying to set up his resourcefulness and skill-sets here, but they came off more like magic to me. The rest of the episode fared much better though.
     
  3. Lou Sytsma

    Lou Sytsma Producer

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 1998
    Messages:
    5,833
    Likes Received:
    337
    Real Name:
    Lou Sytsma
    White Collar was pretty good - the two leads work well off one another.

    Great to see actors from my 2 of my favourite shows - Chuck and Carnivale working together. Bomer has the more engaging role, and easier one to play too, but I found DeKay easily comported himself as well.
     
  4. Walter C

    Walter C Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2006
    Messages:
    2,299
    Likes Received:
    60
    Real Name:
    Walter
    I just saw the Pilot, and it looks like another fun series. Another winner for USA, which is on fire with hit shows.
     
  5. Ed Moroughan

    Ed Moroughan Second Unit

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2003
    Messages:
    377
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Star Lake, NY
    Real Name:
    Edward R. Moroughan
    I liked it quite a bit too. Hopefully it will improve now that they got all the character bits established. Mmm, Tiffani Thiessen.
     
  6. Patrick Sun

    Patrick Sun Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    38,644
    Likes Received:
    419
    Elizabeth is way too hot to Peter, at least by 2 levels from 0-10 scale.
     
  7. Inspector Hammer!

    Inspector Hammer! Executive Producer

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 1999
    Messages:
    11,061
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Real Name:
    John Williamson
    I liked the pilot quite a bit.

    If he packs on some more muscle, Matt Bomer would make a great Superman.
     
  8. Patrick Sun

    Patrick Sun Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    38,644
    Likes Received:
    419
    Bomer auditioned for the part in Superman Returns, but Routh was picked over Bomer and others. Bomer's a little short (not quite 6 feet tall) for that role.
     
  9. Adam Lenhardt

    Adam Lenhardt Executive Producer

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2001
    Messages:
    17,074
    Likes Received:
    1,793
    Location:
    Albany, NY
    He also looked far too young four years ago when they were casting the film.
     
  10. cajunhillbilly

    cajunhillbilly Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2008
    Messages:
    1,847
    Likes Received:
    53
    Real Name:
    Willard
    I did not see it yet. But I think I have heard the premis before. Let's see. Oh yea, It Takes a Thief with Robert Wagner.
     
  11. Lou Sytsma

    Lou Sytsma Producer

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 1998
    Messages:
    5,833
    Likes Received:
    337
    Real Name:
    Lou Sytsma
    Bomer and DeKay can be seen meshing better in the second episode so that bodes well for the chemistry of the show. Everytime Bomer raised his hand at the police station I had to chuckle. Found the crime of the week weak though - the Ghost sure got flushed out very quickly.
     
  12. Adam Lenhardt

    Adam Lenhardt Executive Producer

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2001
    Messages:
    17,074
    Likes Received:
    1,793
    Location:
    Albany, NY
    Yeah, the show's still not quite working for me. If it weren't on directly after "Monk", I wouldn't seek it out. The Kate macro mystery has captured my interest.
     
  13. Adam Lenhardt

    Adam Lenhardt Executive Producer

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2001
    Messages:
    17,074
    Likes Received:
    1,793
    Location:
    Albany, NY
    I still can't say I'd stick around if it wasn't airing following "Monk", but after tonight's episode I am prepared to say that White Collar's Kate has the most beautiful eyes on television.
     
  14. Adam Lenhardt

    Adam Lenhardt Executive Producer

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2001
    Messages:
    17,074
    Likes Received:
    1,793
    Location:
    Albany, NY
    After a pretty bland half the a season, the fall finale finally got me to sit up and take notice. Since I was planning on dumping the show once the pair-up with "Monk" was over, I guess it happened just in time.

    The whole episode was brilliantly played. We were misdirected to believe that Noah Emmerich's character was rotten, but nothing they showed us specifically tied his character to anything dirty. Because Neil been so consistently more interesting than Peter's, I just naturally assumed they were tapping his phone to get to Neil -- never considering that they were tapping Peter's phone to get to Peter. Likewise, all of the evidence used to frame Neil was tied to Peter and Noah Emmerich's character. But because we were there in real time as Peter collected all of the evidence used to frame Neil, I assumed that it had to be Noah Emmerich's character with the nefarious motive. Instead, Noah Emmerich's character was following the same paper trail that Neil was -- only slightly ahead of him.

    It casts everything in a new light: the thief wasn't refusing to turn state's witness because Noah Emmerich's character, peering in, made it futile. He was refusing to turn state's witness because the guy sitting across the table from him was the one who set the whole thing up.

    I have no idea where the show is going from here, since the revelation at the end makes it impossible to return to the status quo. And that's what's going to bring me back in January.

    In one episode, they reverse who's the straight man that provides the window into this world and enigmatic character that keeps us watching. Brilliant.
     
  15. Elizabeth S

    Elizabeth S Producer

    Joined:
    May 9, 2001
    Messages:
    4,648
    Likes Received:
    54
    Real Name:
    Elizabeth S
    I felt the show was feeling a bit repetitious with the "can Neil be trusted" theme over and over. I also haven't found the mystery about Kate very compelling at all, and found myself annoyed at Neil's obsession with it.

    However, this fall finale episode really brought up some intriguing plot points, so I guess I'll be back in January.
     
  16. Lou Sytsma

    Lou Sytsma Producer

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 1998
    Messages:
    5,833
    Likes Received:
    337
    Real Name:
    Lou Sytsma
    I think its a feint. The last scene with Peter is OOC given how he has been portrayed as a straight shooter. Something else is up.
     
  17. Zack Gibbs

    Zack Gibbs Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2005
    Messages:
    1,687
    Likes Received:
    2
    ^^ Of course it is Lou. To reference Adam's post, the "status quo" will be returned in no time at all.

    That doesn't make the episode any less effective, I enjoyed it quite a bit. They played the strings perfectly this time.
     
  18. Adam Lenhardt

    Adam Lenhardt Executive Producer

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2001
    Messages:
    17,074
    Likes Received:
    1,793
    Location:
    Albany, NY
    The question is: what form of status quo will that be? I envision two possible scenarios: 1) everything that the fall finale implicated about Peter is true, and we go back to solving cases of the week knowing that Peter actually can't be trusted, and Neil knowing that Peter can't actually be trusted. 2) everything about the fall finale played as we originally thought it had before the reveal at the end, and Peter's rendezvous with Kate is the first time they're meeting; he's actually trying to help Kate, and he was just better at tracking her down than Neil has been.

    And, of course, the third option: everything doesn't return to the status quo in a slightly different tenor, and the rhythm of the show changes dramatically. Point #2 would be the most disappointing for me, but even that would leave the show in a more interesting place than we were at before.
     
  19. Lou Sytsma

    Lou Sytsma Producer

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 1998
    Messages:
    5,833
    Likes Received:
    337
    Real Name:
    Lou Sytsma
    As Adam reiterates in his post above, to what status quo will that be? Can they go back to the original one?

    As to playing the strings perfectly, only time will tell. Need to see the context of Peter's duplicity. Right now it feels like they have pulled a fast one. Especially if they do return to the established status quo after this story line plays out.
     
  20. MandyHan

    MandyHan Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2006
    Messages:
    219
    Likes Received:
    0
    Here's my thought... what if this has been Peter's plan from the start? Peter needed Neal, but there is no way to make him help if he had finished his sentence. So he has orchestrated this Kate situation since before the Pilot.

    Anyway, I'm counting down to the new episodes starting January 19th. This show certainly has perfected the art of a cliffhanger.
     

Share This Page