A Few Words About While we wait for A few words about...™ The Rodgers & Hammerstein Collection -- in Blu-ray

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Robert Harris, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. Doug Bull

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    Hey Anthony,
    I don't wish to spoil your excitement, but what if Monday is not a van delivery day in your area? :(
    It has happened previously to me down here on the Peninsula.

    Though I'm sure it will be a case of ".... Oh what a Beautiful Day....The parcel is coming my way."

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    Anthony's neighbourhood (just around the back of that Mountain) as seen from my house.
    He'll be sitting at his window on monday just looking and waiting for that little white courier van. :) (likewise)

    Doug.
     
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    Deluxe farmed out their 16mm printing to Technicolor during the mid-1950's and quite a few 16mm CinemaScope IB Technicolor prints of the full feature survive on THE KING AND I. I have two friends who have prints.

    Technicolor prints can vary, but the ones I've seen have good color balance and look quite nice. They were made when the negative was new, so the color is beautiful.

    Color and contrast in the 2005 HD streaming version is closest to the old IB prints, though the streaming version has much more detail, of course.

    I'm a big fan of most of the catalog titles that have hit Blu-ray, including the often talked about BLUE MAX, but going forward I will prefer to watch the streaming version of THE KING AND I over the new disc.
     
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  3. classicmovieguy

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    I went to a charity booksale this morning and found these 2 treasures, from Fox Video's 1991 "Silver Anniversary" R&H range.

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    Still looking forward to Mr. Harris's analysis of the new transfers. I just hope all the bickering in here has not made him decide not to put himself in the line of fire.
     
  5. Will Krupp

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    Because he's such a shy and retiring fellow? :D
     
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    Thanks for posting those! I remember that set fondly. I was 14 when they came out, and remembered working all summer -- mowing lawns -- to buy them. I thought the cover art were cool. The older CBS/Fox VHS of The Sound of Music was from a publicity still (I think) of Julie Andrews on the hill, and the one of Oklahoma! was a faded publicity still of Gordon MacRae and Shirley Jones. Now that I think of it, that version of Oklahoma! was strange. It was the Cinemascope version; however, it had the Overture from the Todd-AO film. Near the end of the Overture, the Samuel Goldwyn logo came on, and then dissolves to the opening/main title of the Cinemascope version.
     
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    I remember these fondly too, but never got the chance to own these particular editions until now. The first time I was able to buy the R&H musicals on VHS was the "Gold Anniversary" set in 1995, which included bonus audio cassette soundtracks.
     
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    I have NEVER seen a print of a classic movie have colors as strange as these Screencaps of The King and I so if it had looked like that as a print I might remember ;)
     
  9. Robert Crawford

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    I understand your position, but I'm inclined to think most of us wouldn't be able to do so about a print of a film they saw 60 years ago. IMO, the passing of so much time, viewings of so many other films and even viewing of this particular movie on different video formats would cloud most of our memories from being the most accurate source of what that original print should look like.
     
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    Well I suppose I'm trolling a bit here, as I'll never buy this set. I'm not a big fan of musicals & the set hasn't been announced for UK release anyway. But I don't think you need an amazing memory or an unfaded print to know if these films look as they should. They should look...great. A true greyscale, rich vibrant picture with cherry reds, yellows, blues & greens. These are fifties colour musicals, there should be a wow factor, that's if the original negatives are in a good state & not faded of course!
     
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    "A true greyscale, rich vibrant picture with cherry reds, yellows, blues & greens. These are fifties colour musicals, there should be a wow factor, that's if the original negatives are in a good state & not faded or course!"

    Yes. To clarify what I wrote in an earlier post, being able to judge whether the color palette of a video transfer of a film looks "correct" or not is much easier to do in one direction than the other.

    1) If the image seems to well represent all the parts of the color spectrum, and if there are no obvious issues in terms of flesh tones and whites (where it's clear the white is supposed to be pure), then you can make a fairly safe judgment that the color is "correct," bearing in mind that not all prints of movies had the some, exact color palette.

    2) If the image has obvious issues in terms of flesh tones and whites (where it's clear the white is supposed to be pure), then you can make a fairly safe judgment that the color is incorrect" in some way -- not enough red, not enough blue, and so on.

    Doesn't that make sense?
     
  12. Robert Crawford

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    After watching The King and I BD, I experienced the wow factor during my viewing of it this morning as I thoroughly enjoyed this BD. Anyhow, I had my say on this BD as everyone else is entitled to their respective opinion so I won't say anymore about The King and I. On to the next titles from this box set.
     
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    I played around with those two settings this morning during my BD viewing and I ended up using Size 2.
     
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    I couldn't believe all I was hearing about THE KING AND I and CAROUSEL, then I watched them and was disappointed myself. THE KING AND I is almost unwatchable. It has a smudged look with a turquoise and brown color scheme to it. So many of the Fox blurays from the 50s have that brown and turquoise color. CAROUSEL is far too dark. The DVDS of both of these look better than the blurays unfortunately. Everything everyone is saying about OKLAHOMA! is true. The Todd-AO does look like 3-D -- like you're looking out a window. The cinemascope OKLAHOMA! looks excellent, as well. I also wonder if they will issue replacements for THE KING AND I and CAROUSEL.

    I'd love to know what Robert Harris thinks about THE KING AND I and CAROUSEL.
     
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    So many have that "blue hue" only in blu-ray transfers. Why was the previous transfer of King and I on dvd so glorious and beautiful looking in its color scheme I wonder? I am not being sarcastic. I really want to know how a previous transfer looks as good as the dvd of King and I did, and looks so completely different in every regard in a blu-ray transfer. When these are done, does the team even look at the previous master? How does this type of thing happen I wonder? I will also take bets here that absolutely nothing will ever be done to correct what looks to my eyes like a complete error. We are stuck with it.
     
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    Considering that Fox will release The King and I as an individual blu-ray in October, they have approximately 4-5 months to do something about it, if they wish. I suspect sales of the complete collection will be significantly smaller than sales of the individual films. It would be strategic of the studio to follow up on constructive criticism in order to improve or secure future sales.
     
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    The current hi-def version of K&I on Vudu and itunes looks great also. Something had to have gone wrong in the blu-ray mastering process.
     
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    I think Fox is taking the name "Blu-ray" a bit too literally.
     
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    It's now 9am Monday May 5th here in a wet and cold Melbourne.
    Latest up-date is that it's on the Delivery Van for today.

    Counting the Hours and Minutes.

    "And I still find it so hard
    To say what I need to say
    But I'm quite sure that you'll tell me
    Just how I should feel today"

    Will this turn out to be a "BLUE MONDAY" ;)

    Doug.
     
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    This is precisely the kind of information I was hoping for, THANK YOU!
     

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