A Few Words About While we wait for A few words about...™ The Rodgers & Hammerstein Collection -- in Blu-ray

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  1. lukejosephchung

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    As an Amazon Prime member, I'll be getting this via 2-day priority shipping as part of the service...makes me glad I shell out $100/year for it when something THIS special is involved!!! :D
     
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    I've let Prime lapse, although free release day shipping apparently still applies.
     
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    Dear RAH:

    Did you see the 30-fps version or the 24-fps version?

    (I became a huge fan of yours in high school after witnessing the original restoration of "Lawrence of Arabia.")
     
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    My understanding was that the Todd-AO 70mm was only in 30fps, while the CinemaScope 35mm was 24fps. Since RAH is making specific reference to 70mm here, I believe he would've been viewing 30fps.
     
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    I believe it was AROUND THE WORLD that was shot at two different frame rates both in 70mm
     
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    Yes it was, and I think Around the World is the only film so treated . By South Pacific, the frame rate of 70mm principal photography was always 24fps. Oklahoma! was filmed twice but the 35mm version was filmed in 35mm with Cinemascope anamorphics.

    Todd wanted the best quality for the 35mm version of Around the World, which was printed dye-transfer in the first release anyway. The prints looked (and sounded) wonderful, much sharper and richer than CinemaScope.

    I do not know if there were 70mm prints made of the 24-frame version. Does anyone know?

    There was an odd version that was on 34mm film (yes 34!) that, as I recall, was called Cinestage and made from the 30 fps version. There was some taxation issue about this. [Cinestage was one of the two theatres in Chicago that Todd controlled. Gone now of course.]

    I have only seen it in 35mm 24fps and 70mm 30fps but what a treat it is! This is the last "must have" on my list after the R&H musicals.
     
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    Thanks Ron, that's a great story! It was designed as such to avoid the British quota system on non-roadshow films. Since anything other than 35mm was considered road show, he shaved a millimeter off of the print and, voila, now playing in London!

    That, and the "regular" 35mm "Cinestage" prints used a non-standard 1.56x1 panavision squeeze so that it used all of the available real estate on the print and yielded a Todd-AO ascpect ratio. He used them during the road show (standard CInemascope was used for the general release) for theaters that didn't yet have 70mm capacity.

    Martin Hart goes into great detail about it on his website here http://widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/wingto9.htm
    and about the London print here: http://widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/wingto10.htm
     
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    Oklahoma! was absolutely shot in 70mm TODD-AO at 30 frames per second. There are so many references online that I won't take the time to post any links here. A little time on Google.com will provide a plethora of results.
     
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    With all due respect Jason, I don't think anyone is disputing that. We were disputing that the 70mm version was also shot at 24fps.

    The 70mm version was shot at 30fps
    The 35mm version was shot at 24fps.

    AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS was shot in 70mm at both frame rates.
     
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    That's what I get for reading from the bottom up.
     
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    So who was the lucky buyer and how much did it go for at the recent auction?

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    Wish I'd been there.
     
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    It still saddens me that Debbie Reynolds' costume collection couldn't be preserved in a museum and has been scattered to the four winds. Bless Debbie for salvaging what she could.
     
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    Well, I hope that Carousel dress is being properly preserved somewhere after this sale .....
     
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    I get what you're saying but the upside is that it went to people that love and cherish the piece that they now have.
     
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    The 1933 State Fair should've been part of this set.
     
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    That or at least in one of the Will Rogers DVD sets. That one is just simply being ignored. Not even the MOD line has touched this or the other unreleased Will Rogers films. At this point, I wouldn't have cared if they shoveled their TV transfer onto the disc which at this point is likely what we'll end up getting if it is ever released.
     
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    The laserdisc of "Oklahoma!" featured a transfer of the Todd-AO version and it was superb! The DVD release with both 'Scope and Todd-AO versions was an unmitigated DISASTER!
     
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    I could never understand why that Todd-AO version was so bad on that double-disc, especially since the first DVD release of the Todd-AO version was very decent, even if not anamorphic!
    Anyway, thank whoever's responsible that we're getting a decent Blu ray version. I have high hopes ....
     
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    I even recall the VHS version looking better than that DVD.
     
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    Well, it sounds like this will be the "mea culpa" for that old DVD.
     

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