A Few Words About While we wait for A few words about...™ Raiders of the Lost Ark -- in Blu-ray

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    Don't know how much better this could look,its not great looking,but not sure what the reason is ,at times it looks great,and the sound is fine,Amazing this won best Art Direction over Heavens Gate
    you wonder what they were smoking
     
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    I saw the IMAX version of RAIDERS on one of the larger IMAX screens in New Rochelle, NY. It was disappointing in that there were focus issues, perhaps projection related, but it was a letdown.
    If we get to a point where Blu-Ray is preferable to seeing a film in a theater, just shoot me.
    Still waiting to see Spartacus restored the way Lawrence of Arabia was restored and seen in theaters last month.
    I would gladly settle for the 1991 "RESTORATION" in a theater. Thank you again Mr. Harris.
     
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    I have it from a source that Raiders of Blu is from a new 4K scan that had never been released before. There was a previous scan that was used for a previous HD broadcast. Can Robert or someone else confirm? Thank you.
     
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    A few posts back somebody stated that copyright in books stays, except in rare cases, with the publisher. Not correct. Whoever writes, they have the copyright. This is automatically granted, and is good for about 75 years. Renewable by the original author or his/her heirs under certain conditions. Only in studio filmwork is the copyright retained by the production entity. All other creators have copyright in their own works, unless they sell it or assign it.
     
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    I know I've been reading in various places since 2012 that it was a 4K restoration. Are you talking about something newer that that?
     
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    In the Star Wars thread, this topic came up.

    I had been told the 2012/Blu-ray/IMAX release stemmed from a brand new 4K scan or restoration (to use that word loosely).

    There was a 4K Japan HD broadcast scan prior to this as I understand it, but they are different.
     
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    Ahh, OK. You want to know if there are indeed 2 different 4K versions out there.
     
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    That's a bingo.

    I was told they were as Temple of Doom and The Last Crusade were scanned at 4K (before 2012) along with Raiders for the Japan HD broadcasts. They only decided to revisit Raiders again.

    If we go back further, the original DVDs and very first broadcasts stemmed from 2K scans back around 2003 as I understand it.
     
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    Raiders was scanned in 4K by Laser Pacific in 2011 for the 30th anniversary and a full restoration was done. This was shown in select theaters and also on Japanese HDTV and is similar to the theatrical version in terms of color. It was also used in early trailers for the blu-ray set. This is a completely different version than the HDTV version shown in the rest of the world, which was sourced from the Lowrey restoration from 2003. The blu-ray was released in September 2012 with different, modernized orange/teal color done by Technicolor (who had acquired Laser Pacific). The question is if a brand new 4K scan and full restoration was done less than a year later for the blu-ray or if they tweaked the existing 30th anniversary restoration.
     
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    Spielberg approved the current transfer so if its a reworking then its only because he wanted it done.
     
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    Absolutely. But they should have included the theatrical version as well, with the original sound mix and none of the digital changes. Fortunately the 30th anniversary version is out there if you know where to look.
     
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    Here's are some comparisons to illustrate the sometimes extreme changes made to the blu-ray. A good reference to the theatrical can be found in the 1981 PBS making of special. It was finished on 16mm and uses clips from a 1981 timed print. It has lower res and dynamic range, but is pretty accurate to the 35mm. The blu is pushed brighter and shifted way towards orange and teal, Contrast is reduced giving it a flat look in places.

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    1981 Making Of
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    I'm not normally sensitive to color issues like a lot of people on here, but I've only watched the Raiders Blu-ray once and found it profoundly unpleasant. I could tell right away it didn't look anything like the movie I grew up with. Those screen grab comparisons prove how hideous it is.

    Does anyone know if the version streaming on Vudu has the same color as the BD, or if it is closer to the theatrical colors?
     
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    I've always thought the Blu looked excellent (and still do), but it's hard not to deny based on the caps that Dave provided that it varies from its original look. Dave, you're making me a believer now. :)
     
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    What's the story with Temple of Doom? Is the Blu considered pretty close to the original look?
     
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    The "Orange" version also appears to be a bit cropped! :P

    CHEERS! :)
     

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