What's the difference between recording off the radio or the internet???

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  1. Rachael B

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    The more I think about it, the more I think it's about the same thing. We all pay the R.I.A.A. a fee/levy/pseudo-tax for blank media, don't we. I know Canadians pay more than Americans. What we put on it and where we get it ought to be nobody else's business, up to an extent...

    I really don't see much difference between recording radio and file-sharing. Either way you end up with RECORDED media.
     
  2. Mike Broadman

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    I think the problem isn't with recording the stuff as much as it is distributing it.

    I don't know- frankly, I've stopped caring.
     
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    Look what they're doing to our songs, Ma!

    Someday I'll be in trouble for humming outta tune [​IMG]
     
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    Don't the radio stations pay royalty fees to the RIAA ? They at least get paid for the song when the station airs it. I guess that they don't like the idea of the superior quality of digital media. You could pull a song off the web and start ripping CDs with decent quality that you could sell to someone else without paying RIAA their cut. Stuff off the air doesn't sound as good.
    Having said that, I feel no pitty for the RIAA now that they are sueing teenagers. Hey RIAA, you have the money and the MBA degrees. Can't YOU figure out how to deal with the 21st century ?
     
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  6. Rachael B

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    I could take the analog outputs of my satelite box and start recording the muzak channels...again, I get nearly free recordings. Shouldn't the R.I.A.A. do something about that?[​IMG]

    Ultimately, will the Audio Gestapo go door to door confiscating all the audio recorders? How else could the R.I.A.A.'s desires be satisfied? Some of the members had a hand in selling us the recorders too! What'd they think we'd do with them(!)?[​IMG]
     
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    Sorry jeff but you must work for the RIAA with that kind of attitude.. I agree there is some wrong doing but they are not being "rightly" punished by being sued.
     
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    I personally don't understand how anyone can get sued for this nowadays. Wouldn't the simple statement "other people have used my computer" make it impossible to prosecute?
     
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    Rob, Jeff is a musican and wants to earn royalty money. That fact tempers his responses and it's understandable.
     
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    Richard, I see little difference if you use a computer drive, CD, MD, cassette, DAT, or reel to reel recorder. It's all the same...recorded media.

    ...seems like I remember the R.I.A.A. making a fuss about college students and their cassette decks some years ago...?
     
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    You know Rachel you bring up a very good point, recording is ok froma radio, and presumably downloading and burning is really the same thing, but obviously the RIAA is upset that recording is now so much easier than it was over the radio.

    and just to play devils advocate you arent distributing simply by connecting to a P-P network and having stuff on your computer, sure you are leaving your door wide open for anyone to come in and take what they want, but unless they ask you for it or you expressly offer it then how can you be distributing it?

    if you walk into a store in the mall, the doors are wide open, there is plenty of merchandise there, if you just take it your stealing, the store isn't distributing. and it makes no difference if the store puts its racks or tables outside to attract more atention they still arent distributing till you buy it, until then your just stealing.

    so i guess my point is no one is really distributing, and recording is legal, so whats the big issue?

    maybe they need to make recording illegal
     
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    Would someone get in trouble if they recorded a song from the radio to MP3 and then shared it on the MP3-ster of the week?

    Sony cracks me up in this whole law suit business though. They pimp portable CD players which play MP3, DVD players that play MP3, boomboxes where they use CD-R playback as a selling point, and numerous CD-R drives, and then they decide to sue people as part of the RIAA. Kind of like the drug dealer who sells crack pipes to his clients then decides to turn them in right after he finds out they bought a little crack to use in the pipe elsewhere. Not good in the drug dealer business, and certainly not good in the music business.

    J
     
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    LOL, but in my morning paper, there are two editorials on the subject.

    One, from everyone's favorite person, Jack Valente, crying that the sky is falling, and we better act now WRT pirating of movies. While I wish he would shut his pie hole with all this crying about closing the "analog hole" on my new HD TV and STB, he is obviously looking across the street at the record companies, and sees what may be signs of troubled waters ahead for the movie business.

    The other, who's author escapes me, is from an Intellectual Property attorney from the Electronic Frontier Foundation (I may have gotten the name of the group slightly wrong). His point was that the recording industry needed to face reality, and adopt a new business model.

    Humm. I guess we should all start stealing cars from dealerships. I think the price the charge is too high, and there are too many features on them that I do not want to have to pay for, so lets just take 'em. Then the dealerships will adopt a new business model that charges less for the cars.

    While we are at it, I really would like a Denon 2900, but $1,000 is more than I want to spend. If we all steal one, then Denon will have to change business practices, and the rest of us can get one for a lower cost.

    This all seems sensible to me.

    I propose we start by targeting Porsches, since I want a new 911 Turbo, but think there are just too damn expensive[​IMG]

    BGL
     
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    Justin,

    I am not sure you can be certain that Sony is fully supporting this. The RIAA involves many big and small record labels and Sony may not have a controlling equity share or have control over the RIAA legal actions.

    After all the bad PR, I bet there are more than a few label execs wondering if hauling 12 year olds in front of cameras is the best course of action.
     
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    I think the big difference with the Radio VS. the Internet is one simple thing:

    CONTROL

    The RIAA already has control of what you hear and how you hear it via radio......Clear Channel.

    Unfortunately they do not have the control of the internet(nor anyone else for that matter.) They can't control what you listen too but more importantly they can't control the distribution. Today the internet is running a special: 8 billion downloads for the price of nothing.

    Why anyone would want MP3s is news to me. They sound like SHIT! 25% of the time they don't play. They take forever to download...assuming your using a dial-up connection like the rest of the world. Sure they're cheap but so is White Castle and you don't see me with any sliders.

    I'll take good quality CDs anyday. But the RIAA is not getting much $$ from my pocket as I buy used 95% of the time. I buy new once wvery 6 months if that. In fact before buying my last new cd I hadn't bought anything new for almost a year.

    Why buy new when slightly used will do?

    CF
     

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