What we are up against...

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  1. MTrotter

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    Now is a good time to get an idea how hard it is going to be to win this OAR battle. I've spent some time observing the holiday J6P shoppers descending on Best Buy and Circuit City while I've been evaluating HDTVs. One poor guy had drug his wife out for the one day he could get her to set foot in BB. As they looked at the HDTVs, he tried in vain to explain to his wife about the 16:9 aspect ratio and movies, etc., but she was having none of it. She said, "So, this is what they are calling widescreen TV?" She not only didn't like it, but got real emotional about it.

    Another 50-ish guy was trying to explain to his grown sons how, with a widescreen tv, you are really getting MORE picture, because you get the whole width of the movie. But they never seemed to even begin to understand it.

    There are so many people who basically are threatened by change, that they fight it. So, you just know Blockbuster and Hollywood Video have also found these attitudes in their market research. Now that a lot of folks have DVD players, but still have 4:3 sets, I am afraid we are going to have an uphill fight for several years.
     
  2. Inspector Hammer!

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    You said a mouthful their my friend! But as long as air is in my lungs, I won't stop fighting.
     
  3. Justin Lane

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    My girlfriend used to not care either way when watching a film on video...that is until she met me. After some convincing and good examples she is now a firm OAR believer. Tonight she told me she rented a film from Blockbuster and made sure it was indeed in widescreen before even placing her rental, which made me very proud.

    We should try to educate everyone, but if they totally resist there really is nothing you can do. Forcing your will and agenda on others is never a good thing. As the saying goes, You can take a horse to water....
     
  4. Rachael B

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    People really get upset over television issues. A couple of years ago when the satelite services were forced to cut off local channels to like zillions of people, that event generated a record amount of mail to Senators and Congressmen. I think that speaks volumes!
     
  5. Dan Hitchman

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    I helped my neighbor get into home theater with a new 6.1/7.1 home theater system [Denon 3802, Polk RT55i's (front, center, and side surround), Polk RT35i's (center back), Panasonic RP91 DVD player, and bipolar/dual 10" subwoofer] that I installed for her. The very first DVD she purchased for her new film collection was Jurassic Park in remastered/corrected DTS (widescreen too, obviously).

    A little back history...

    She was what you'd call a Jane Six-Pack with money to burn and zero clue about film and proper movie presentation, home video transfers, etc. She was also previously working with a mono VCR and Bose [blech!] speakers, and only rented pan and scan VHS tapes and watched HBO/Cinemax movies because some of her friends where giving her the wrong information about letterboxing.

    I very simply explained to her the benefits of widescreen and why the need for the black bars, and also why OAR was important (since, of course, not all films and TV shows were shot for a wide screen). Then showed her a small comparison demo.

    The other night she stated that she was seriously considering dumping HBO and Cinemax because she could rent or buy the same movies and TV shows on DVD in widescreen and multichannel surround! She said after watching a few movies in widescreen for the first time outside a movie theater, she wasn't bothered by the black bars at all (and she only has a 27" TV).

    Now she wants a widescreen digital front projector and Stewart screen next year to really get the full impact and then HDTV as soon as Colorado stations were on the air.

    From staunch Jane Six-Pack to technically obsessed video/audio-phile in the span of 3 months. I'd call that a success story!

    To all studios: some education, a little time, and a bit of patience is all that's usally needed and anyone can learn to appreciate OAR, or at least accept it. Do not pander with pan and scan/open matte transfers! People will come around.

    Dan
     
  6. Patrick Mirza

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    Next time anti-OAR j***offs go to a movie theater, roll a gigantic board to block out the movie screen completely(preferrably of a 2.35 film).

    Completely, that is, except for a 4x3 square cut out in the center.

    Let's see how many of these a-holes enjoy their "movie watching" then.
     
  7. MTrotter

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    Dan,

    Are there very many women like that in CO?!!! You sure won't find many in East Texas! I've never heard of such. Come to think of it, to buy the gear you mentioned is a year's salary for most folks around here.
     
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    A LOT of people feel very threatened by change. They just can't handle it in any way. Older people especially. The 4:3 vs OAR is only one small espect of it. These same people freak when the packaging on their favorite tuna changes. And there are a lot more people like that than you think.
     
  10. RogerB

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    Jim,
    Choice is one thing but ignorance is another.
    I'm sure that if you took 10 J6P's and explained the difference between P&S and OAR so that they actually understood it, a couple of them would still prefer P&S. But the majority of them would gladly switch to OAR. I have no proof, I'm just sure. [​IMG]
    Have you educated a J6P today?
     
  11. Raine Linton

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    My wife would have been satisified watching movie through a VCR on a 12" screen, but after I set up our theater, she saw the light and said she will never go back.

    One at a time, it's gonna be a slow process. A friend refuses to get a DVD player stating life was complicated enough. ???! go figure.

    Raine
     
  12. Eric Thrall

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    I have to disagree with you that educating J6P will make most of them change their minds. I've worked on my wife, my two sisters, my brother and my mom. They all understand widescreen and its advantages, and they all have at least 32" TVs. Except for my youngest sister, every single one of them "wants the screen full" and would always pick a P&S movie over a widescreen. I explained the issue to them, I demonstrated it with several different movies, and they just don't seem terribly concerned that Chewbacca was cut out of a scene he should have been in. The only one I showed which got any reaction was the Pee Wee's Big Adventure scene with the bike chain, but that wasn't enough to change their minds.
     
  13. Jim A. Banville

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  14. Bill Catherall

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    I had a friend over the other night to demo my relatively inexpensive, but tweaked system. He's hoping to be able to convince his wife to get a DVD player this Christmas, so I was giving him some advice about players and demo'd the pod race in TPM to give him a good surround sound experience and show him the shakers I put in my couch. While watching the 2.35:1 image on my 4:3 TV he said, "You know, one thing my wife would complain about are those lines." I said, "You mean the black bars?" He said, "Yeah. She'd complain about those, but I really don't care." I asked him if he knew why the black bars were there. He said he didn't know, but they didn't bother him. That's when I took a quick opportunity to explain that you can't get a widescreen image, as it was originally shown in the theaters, to fit on a "square" TV. I paused the video and said, "You know all those movies that say 'Modified to fit your TV'? They cut off this much picture..." and blocked off a portion of the picture... "to make it fill your TV." He was a typical J6P (not close-minded, just uninformed). He left that night a little wiser. [​IMG]
    My wife on the other hand never vocally complains about "those black bars," but just really doesn't care. She doesn't view any movie, even her favorites, as art. It's just entertainment fodder to her. Her quote..."As long as I'm seeing the most important part of the picture, I really don't care." [​IMG] She's an atypical J6P...she's informed but is close-minded. I've given up trying to "help" her. It's just not worth it. However, it doesn't matter because I'm the only one buying and renting DVDs in my house anyway. It is my hope, and I really believe this, that most of the people out there are not like my wife. Sure there are some, but I'm betting there are more like my friend above...they just don't know the difference. It's not because they're stupid. It's because they probably just never gave it much thought. That's the way I was 7 years ago.
    My mother...60 years old, prefers OAR. Even on her 20" TV. She also prefers Original Language tracks. You should have seen the rage when she found out that Life Is Beautiful got dubbed. Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks. [​IMG]
    You can't do much to convince studios if you don't have the majority of the masses with you. Education is important for our fight agains P&S, cropping, zooming, or any MAR'd transfers. We aren't coming here to rally against J6P (not a derogatory term). Our venting serves to help regenerate our passion. When you live in a cold world that shoots you down when you try to educate people you need to go somewhere to refuel your fire. That's what this place is for. We rally against ignorance (I find many people don't know what ignorance means, like it's a bad thing, look it up). So please, stop the complaining about the OAR vs P&S posts. If you don't like them then don't read them. But those of us that are fighting this war need them. We need to rally. We need to vent. It's not bashing J6P...it's strategic planning. So if you're here to call us zealots or fanatics, please get off our backs!
     
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    To continue the steak analogy; Hey I ordered a 16 oz steak, where's the missing 4 oz???
     
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  18. RogerB

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    Jim,

    [rant]You've used the term "zealots" just about enough. As others have suggested - if you don't like the topic, don't read the thread. If, on the other hand, you choose to continue reading these threads, I have four words for you:

    GET USED TO IT![/rant]
     
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