What movie do you most detest? (1 Viewer)

[JoeCool6972]

A little off topic, but did anyone watch the "People's Choice" awards the other night? How in the hell did that Twilight garbage win best movie? Who voted on this? A bunch of stupid preteen girls? And did Terminator Salvation get mentioned yet? That movie was the worst I have seen a in a long time!

 

[MatthewA]

Originally Posted by Nicholas Martin /img/forum/go_

Funny, people in this thread bash the shit out of specific movies, some of which I truly enjoy but never took any of that personally but somehow musicals crosses some line to the point of "losing respect

 

You musical haters are the only ones who have condemned an entire genre, or more appropriately, an entire form. And it seems that musicals are the only genre that is fair game to hate. And it's gotten so bad that this century's attempt to revive movie musicals must make concessions to those who hate it (I.e. Chicago which put all the musical numbers in Roxie's head; it may have worked there but the more I see it's influence on subsequent movie musicals, the less I like the film), and it doesn't appear to have cured any haters of their hatred. I am sick and tired of putting up with all the musical hate and the glib denunciation of a form that is wide ranging enough to include multiple styles of Music from rock to jazz to classical, and encompassing every genre from comedy to drama to horror as being nothing but a bunch of people singing and dancing without motivation. Not to mention the endless gay "jokes" about it, considering that it was my parents, who are heterosexual (or I wouldn't be here) that introduced me to movie musicals (and later stage musicals) at a very early age. Singing is a natural extension of human speech, and people singing with a backing orchestra to advance the plot or express character traits is no less absurd than there being background music on movies without a motivated audio source to begin with. I have less trouble suspending disbelief when Julie Andrews is singing at the top of her lungs on a mountainside than when Tobey Maguire puts on spandex long johns and shoots spider webs out of his wrists (although the twain are about to meet on Broadway if no more actors die). Musicals, like all fantasy and scifi, inhabit a world which sets it's own internal rules and regulations. It is therefore believable to me to hear a character sing to express his or her feelings within the context of that work. If you don't enjoy it, then you may be denying yourself the pleasure of discovering the sources of some of the finest American popular music ever composed. Musical theater and film was the source of a good chunk of the popular music of the first half of the 20th century. The majority of horror films I have seen I have been unimpressed with but I do not hate the genre. In fact, I count Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho among my favorite films. The intent to shock and Titillate is not a fault of the horror genre, when there is nothing else there. It is just bad filmmaking. If it is okay to Systematically denounce entire genres and forms, then I hate all 19th century French melodramas. Hate them with a passion. They make me glad Napoleon was defeated at Waterloo. And I also hate all gregorian chants. And all songs that use musical notes or chords. I also hate commedia dell'arte with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns. And don't get me started on bunraku puppetry, telenovelas, and how-to books. Maybe I went a little far in saying I lose respect for people who hate musicals. If I offended you, I apologize. But I've heard it so much and had it go unchallenged for so long that I had to speak up. 

 

 

 

[MatthewA]

Originally Posted by JoeCool6972 

AA little off topic, but did anyone watch the "People's Choice" awards the other night? How in the hell did that Twilight garbage win best movie? Who voted on this? A bunch of stupid preteen girls?

 

And more people bash the Oscars than the People's Choice Awards? That right there is the best argument I've ever heard against direct democracy!

 

[dmiller68]

For me I like such a wide range of movies including a lot of the ones in this thread.


However, I absolutely hate most senseless horror movies.... "Saw I, II, III..." type flicks... Why are these made anyway?

 

[Steve_Pannell]

Originally Posted by dmiller68

For me I like such a wide range of movies including a lot of the ones in this thread.


However, I absolutely hate most senseless horror movies.... "Saw I, II, III..." type flicks... Why are these made anyway?

For people who hate musicals.

 

[TravisR]

How come it's wrong to hate musicals but it's fine to hate violent movies? Even worse, I'm willing to bet that most people haven't even watched those movies but they somehow know they're bad.

 

[MatthewA]

Originally Posted by TravisR 

How come it's wrong to hate musicals but it's fine to hate violent movies? Even worse, I'm willing to bet that most people haven't even watched those movies but they somehow know they're bad.

 

I never had a problem with violence. But so many cheap, poorly made horror films exist that they seem to taint the good ones by association. Add in the remnants of American Puritanism and you've got a recipe for jumping to conclusions. All this arguing over musicals versus violent films makes me realize that the two often intersect. Remember the chicken decapitation shot in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory? And that's just the tip of the iceberg (two words: Sweeney Todd). Most of the Rodgers and Hammerstein musicals have implied or threatened violence, not to mention Disney's animated musicals and some of the live-action ones too.

 

[Michael Reuben]

Originally Posted by TravisR /forum/thread/306368/what-movie-do-you-most-detest/180#post_3768923

 

[TravisR]

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatthewA

But so many cheap, poorly made horror films exist that they seem to taint the good ones by association.

Sad but true.


My point is that every movie (whether singing and dancing spontaneously breaks out or someone hacks off their own foot) deserves to be judged on its own and not judged because of the category that it's put in at the video store.

 

[Mark Oates]

I wanted to quote TravisR to agree with him, but for some reason IE8 keeps crashing on me when I try to Copy & Paste. Anyhow - I agree that movies need to be judged individually not as an arbitrary genre. On the other hand, genres are useful for giving you an idea of what to expect in a movie - or at least used to be until filmmakers started crossing genres (thrillers and or war movies including material that would have been horror movie fodder once).


FWIW, I've never dismissed a genre out of hand. I don't like most horror films, but I don't avoid them all. I love the Universal Horrors, the Hammers, Vincent Price's over-the-top horrorfests like the Phibes movies and Theater of Blood. I enjoyed the Final Destination movies, but oddly enough not the Scream ones. I don't like the so-called Torture Porn movies, but although I've avoided them so far I may well enjoy them at a later date. It all depends on the mood I'm in.


I loathed Raiders of the Lost Ark when I first saw it back in 1981. I'd been going to see Time Bandits, but the theatre where they were showing it was unexpectedly shut so I went to see Raiders at another picture house. The whole thing was so weird and creepy I came out of the theatre thinking Spielberg had completely lost the plot. Six months later I was watching the BAFTA awards, and the movie was up for a number of awards. They showed some of the stunt bits and kept playing that magnificent theme and by the end of the show I wanted to see the movie again. Ever since it has been among my all-time favourites.


I know if I have a bad reaction to a movie, it might just be the mood I was in.

 

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by Nicholas Martin





Watching someone or a band sing on a stage in a concert performance is hardly the same as a character in a movie or show walking down the street, turning around and launching into a routine. So no I don't hate all song and dance.

Ok. I just wanted to see a clarification that you don't hate song and dance per se, but only if the performer is a singing and dancing character.

 

[RickER]

I always wanted to like Paint Your Wagon...until they burst out in song for no reason. Damn that is a horrible movie, and i REALLY want to like it. It was beautifully shot, has some good actors (most of who cannot carry a tune), and i love westerns.


So, i guess i would say i generally hate musicals, with a few exceptions.


I also hate chick flicks, but even then there are a few that i do like!


In my 47 years i have only walked out of 2 movies, Out of Africa (My wife was sick, and so was i. Only it was the movie i was sick of) and Mausoleum (One of the worst horror movies ever. The only thing i remember about Mausoleum, the best part, was some chick who had boobs with sharp teeth. I even like horror movies! I like BAD horror movies too, but not that one. After 30 years i have all but forgotten the rest of it.


Cant say i really cared for Let the Right One In, either. Boring.

As boring as watching grass grow. I would rather watch grass grow, to be honest.


Its almost as hard to name the one movie you hate the most, as it is to name the one you love the most!

 

[Scott Calvert]

Memento

The Prestige

Inception

Requiem For A Dream

The Fountain

Magnolia

 

[Greg_S_H]

Originally Posted by RickER
(One of the worst horror movies ever. The only thing i remember about Mausoleum, the best part, was some chick who had boobs with sharp teeth.

What the hell? I was going along just fine with your post until that. I guess it's better than where the teeth are in the movie Teeth.

 

[RickER]

Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
(One of the worst horror movies ever. The only thing i remember about Mausoleum, the best part, was some chick who had boobs with sharp teeth.

What the hell? I was going along just fine with your post until that. I guess it's better than where the teeth are in the movie Teeth.

[/QUOTE]

LOL


I saw that movie too. Hmmm..could be an interesting double feature!?


I was thinking about when i was in my teens, and twenties, i really was far less picky about what i watched, then i am now.

My wife would tell you i watch anything. I think i am far more discriminating than she thinks i am.

 

[WadeLil]

Movies that i detest-STARWARS series(special fxs no heart).CEMETARYMAN,I watched it almost twice to see if i just missed sumtin....nope.

LORD OF THE RINGS(boring).BUGS...I stood up at the end saying what the hell did i just watch and the audience clapped in agreement.HARRY POTTER.AUSTIN POWERS(way more silly stupid than funny)THE RING...way too predictible)And last but not least BLAIR WITCH PROJECT.

 

[Claire Panke]

Originally Posted by SD_Brian

Shakespeare in Love -how did this win best picture? It is complete crap. And I LIKE romantic (comedy?) films.

I protest! It's not complete xxxx. Even if you don't like the "in love" aspect or the leading lady (who leaves me stone cold), you should at least admire the way the movie shows how difficult it is to create a good play and how many false starts there are before the story is arrived at.
[/QUOTE]

Do you truly think the screenwriters of SiL - Tom Stoppard, one the great playwrights of this age, and experienced hollywood scripter Marc Norman (The Aviator) - aren't aware of the original source material Will Shakespeare used in writing the play? Of course they were. They're having us on a bit don't you know, all part of the fun.


Verse and prose English translations of the old Italian source had been around 10-20 years when Will wrote the play, and similar tragic love stories have been around since ancient times, of course. But since Stoppard and Norman aren't worried about Ovid, Dante, da Porto and Brooke why should we? In fact, another influence on Shakespeare's tragedy, Marlowe's Hero & Leander and Dido (which i haven't read since college) do get a sort of peripheral mention in teh film, where it works in organically about authorish rivalry. Honestly, how many great one liners could even Stoppard pen about Will dramatising Brooke's popular collection of Italian tales????

If you're allergic to this kind of literary in-joke, fair enough. I usually find SiL charming, but I'm a sucker for Stoppard, and for films about the theater.

You do realize SiL is a valentine to the theater, and not a bit of history, right?.

 

[Michael Reuben]

Originally Posted by Claire Panke )

 

[dmiller68]

ok, I have a new one that I think moves first in my list... Sex in the City 2


Wow is all I can say....

 

[Claire Panke]

Originally Posted by Michael Reuben )


Thank you Reuben, for that. I feared if I said more I would get rather crabby, but your response is much kinder and more graceful than mine would have been.


I mean,,,seriously...as if Ethel The Pirate's Daughter isn't a dead give-away.