What is up with DVDA and SACD CONTENT?

Discussion in 'Music' started by Patrick Larkin, Apr 28, 2003.

  1. Patrick Larkin

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  3. Patrick Larkin

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    Rich - Linkin Park? Please. Don't group me in that category. As for OK Computer, how do I know what all the orginal masters sound like? I'm not a recording engineer. I want modern acts in multichannel mixes - THAT'S IT.

    And I don't begrudge CCR - I've listened to my vinyl copy of Cosom's Factory a million times. But I'd STILL be complaining if the format was dominated by 60's/70's acts that I still care about like Zappa and VU.

     
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    Lance,

    To a degree you have a point. However, if you really believe that, then the companies are going to put out stuff that sells big time. So, you are going to get Britney, Christina, BBB, and the like.

    "audiophiles" tend be older, have money to invest in new formats that offer higher resolution, and so the companies are going to offer music to them that they know will sell.
     
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    Jeez guys I NEVER said all the old stuff sucks.

    I just don't want to keep hearing it over and over again.

    This is exactly why I don't participate in most music-only threads--a person's musical likes & dislikes are highly personal and are not a good subject for an objective discussion.

    And I still think she's a frump. :p)

    LJ
     
  6. Patrick Larkin

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    George - you are 6 years older than me. if you are saying that no one in our age group can appreciate Wilco -AND- Jimi Hendrix, then I completely disagree as do most of my friends.

    Its funny - I'm definitely getting the my music rules and all new music sucks vibe. There is a lot of stuff going on outside the mainstream guys. (I recall getting that from my parents generation about 50's music and now my generation seems to be picking up on that same old rut.)

    And I just listed Radiohead, Coldplay, and Flaming Lips because they are sort of mainstream now and you'd expect them to get attention. I'd personally rather have the new Soft Boys, Shins, some Wilco and Elvis Costello but thats me...
     
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    Yesterday's flavor of the month could very probably be today's "classic".

    I like Jefferson Airplane, but I'll bet lots of people back in the 60's thought it was just druggie music to get high with and wouldn't last.

    We don't know what is going to be the "good stuff" later on so we need to encourage new artists NOW.

    LJ
     
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    Rich - because I listen to and appreciate those bands as well. Geez, I'm glad I don't like in your black and white world. You are grouping Coldplay with Insane Clown Posse on an artistic level? And you keep insisting that Coldplay and the like don't care about recording quality and only skate punks with iPods listen to them. Wow.

    As I've said before, I want multichannel mixes of new bands that can really take advantage of it. Pretty simple really. I covet a 5.1 copy of Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. (Are you going to tell me Wilco doesn't care about studio recording/mixing as well?) My argument is for adventurous NEW music - not the same old classic rock I've been hearing (and listening to at times voluntarily) for the last 30 years!
     
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    Patrick,

    I apologize, I should have read your profile, as you are not that much younger than I am. I never said that I do not listen to recent music. In addition, I love and have a large collection of Elvis Costello, Nick Cave, This Mortal Coil, etc. Jeez, I used to listen to The Talking Heads at CBGBs.

    I have also started listening to more alternative music these days, and have purchased a bunch from CD Baby.

    That said some of the difference may be what you want. You have said that you want MC mixes. Me on the other hand, I like 2 channel. I have about 30 SACDs some of them MC, and the only MC mix that I vaguely like is DSOTM. The others are gimmicky (and I have heard Beck and Bowie - and I stilled preferred the 2 channel mix).
     
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    Patrick,

    I think you could have made the same point and stirred up less controversy by simply saying "Why are there so relatively few multichannel releases of recent albums?"

    My (less cynical compared to the one above) response is that there are probably a few reasons in the minds of record companies:

    1) They don't want to spend the money on a concurrent multichannel release of a new album when they don't yet know if it will be a big seller.

    2) If a recent album has sold well on CD, they probably don't want to be accused of double-dipping by releasing a hi-res version shortly after.

    3) It makes for more attractive marketing to take an older title that's considered a classic, reissue it in hi-res, and proclaims things like "First time using the original master tapes!" and "The Mega-Dinosaur Band as you've never heard them before!"

    4) They probably think (and rightly so, IMO) that a hi-res release of a recent album wouldn't sound all that different from the CD.
     
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    My Coldplay album Parachutes is one of the better recorded albums that I own. Solid imaging, detailed highs, vocals clearly rendered.

    That CD so many people hold as some kind of sonic reference point, Miles Davis' Kind of Blue, is not even close. Piercing wind instruments and bucket loads of tape hiss constantly remind me I am listening to a recording--not good.

    LJ
     
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    Raul - you're right. I attempted to make my point without clarifying where my musical experiences are coming from. Apologies. The post was prompted by other threads exulting the releases of CCR and Heart on SACD like this was some coup for the format!

    Rich - Bowie definitely is adventurous, but unfortunately not since Scary Monsters. Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music are certainly adventurous but again, their best stuff is long behind them. Peter Gabriel - same can be said. The Human League [​IMG]. Cowboy Junkies - I might buy The Trinity Session. Out of your list, I'd buy the Jayhawks disc. You made my point for me. Its a strange mix of stuff.

    Flaming Lips have nothing on DVDA or SACD but there are rumors that a DVDA of Yoshimi is coming. This CD is exactly my point - a totally non-mainstream rock recording that could utilize the multi-channel format to its fullest extent. Just look at the last 5 years "10 best lists" and see if any of them are available. I don't think many, if any, are available.
     
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    Patrick,

    I now understand a bit better where you are coming from. I already addressed the MC issue. The other is that you want adventerous non-mainstream music on SACD or DVD-A.

    Unfortunately, that is not likely to come, although it is not likely in droves. Non-mainstream bands do not have ready access to record and release a SACD or DVD-A (although I did pick up a great SACD by Martha's Trouble - Still off of CD Baby - not your type of music, but it is an example). On the other hand, adventerous and corporate (which would have access) is an oxymoron.

    Sorry
     
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    Rich - no, your selection of the handful of bands is a strange mix. That being said, it is a tiny handful and I'd have to put Gabriel and Roxy Music and Bowie into the "Same old stuff" category at this point.

    George - I don't know. I have the DVDA by Glen Phillips (formerly of Toad the Wet Sprocket) and it was done without a major corporate backer and is a tremendous release.
     
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    I take it you never listened to "Heathen".

    It's far from being what I'd call stale.
     

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