Warner Bros. says no to DTS!

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  1. Samuel_M

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    Greetings all!

    I was fortunate enough to participate in the online chat session with WB DVD executives earlier this evening (4/22/03) and asked them the following question:

    Given Paramount's newly announced decision to support DTS with the upcoming release of the Jack Ryan Special Edition Box Set (on 5/6), to what extent will WB be supporting DTS in the future?

    WB's response: No DTS support at this time. [​IMG]

    They didn't give a reason (maybe because I didn't ask for one) but I was just wondering if someone out there could shed some light as to what the rationale is behind this decision...True, they do have a few movies out there with DTS tracks (i.e. Lethal Weapon 1-3), but its been pretty much been slim pickings ever since.

    I'd be interested to know what everyone's thoughts are on this. Thanks for your time (and please forgive me if this topic has been discussed before!). [​IMG]
     
  2. greg_t

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    Well, it is disappointing to me, but that won't stop me from buying Warner releases. I asked during the chat why they still use 384kbps dolby instead of 448kbps. The answer was that it is a balance between sound quality and content. However, don't many other studio's release dvd's with both content and the 448kbps bitrate? Some manage to also add a DTS 754kbps track and still have content and video quality. I think Warner is having some great releases coming soon that I will defintitly pick up, I just think their answer to my question was flimsy.
     
  3. Mark Basile

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    I asked the same question unknowingly later in the chat when I arrived. And someone also asked why they don't use the 448kbs DD rate.

    Not sure, I guess Warner Brothers obviously doesn't really care about superior audio as much as video. Myself and others have been asking for DTS on titles for a long time, and I guess we'll never see them. It's too bad because I would buy a lot of their titles again if they came with (IMHO, superior) DTS soundtracks, ie. "The Matrix." People DO care about quality, and the longer DVD stays around, the more people are gonna learn about "transfer quality". A lot of my friends don't know what 16x9 means, but they all know what DTS and Dolby Digital are.

    Also, why and how did the 2-disc "True Romance" get a DTS track?
     
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    True Romance is a Morgan Creek film, thus calls the shots for their films.

    The thing is... WB would be wasting their time for the most part by adopting DTS. First, most of the catalog titles wouldn't get DTS. Then, many of the new releases would lose extras.

    WB supported full bitrate DTS on those early 5, so that may be the reason. They may not want to adopt half-rate.

    Solutions can usually be found in reason, rather than concluding that "they don't care."
     
  5. Bruce_S

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    I hope WB will consider putting DTS soundtrack for upcoming release of Matrix DVD's. I prefer to have better soundtrack than those extras. For me - I really don't care much for the extras features. Sony is able to come up with "Superbits' line up. Maybe, they should consider doing the same or follow the footsteps of New Line DVD released such as "Lord of the Rings Extended Version".

    I think, WB is taking the lazy approach of their dvd line up. Come on and wake up WB - look at T2 UE dvd. That's one is one the best dvd ever produced with both great DD-EX and DTS-ES soundtrack also maintain high picture quality.

    -Bruce

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  6. Ryan_TD

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    I know someone at Warner will read this thread and here's my prediction:
    They will release The Matrix as a 2-disc ultimate edition with a new transfer and a newly remixed dts track, just like the sequels will.
    Cause I tell ya, as much as everyone will boast on its refrence quality - the sound is truly lacking in respects to what its full potential can be.
    Just wait and see -- Matrix trilogy - dts-es.

    And speaking of the Lethal Weapon dvds....what's holding up the director's cut of lethal weapon 4?
    It's like the neglected red headed stepchild of the bunch. 1-3 are all director's cuts sporting dts and have shiny silver packaging and 4 is just lacking in every way......[​IMG]
     
  7. Sean Moon

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    the lethal weapon trilogy DCs also have 448kb DD tracks on them in addition to the full bitrate DTS tracks.
     
  8. Rob Gillespie

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    Warner had some run-in with DTS a long time ago so the decision probably has more to do with industrial politics moe than anything else.

    The five titles they realeased with dual DD/DTS soundtracks we're I believe some kind of experiment they tried and the soundtracks were encoded from the same source (unlike most DTS versions which are slightly different). The end results sounded so alike that it wasn't worth the effort.
     
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  10. greg_t

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    Twister special edition has both great DD and DTS, the closest I have heard. I personally still prefer the DTS on it. On my setup, DD often uses some boomy bass, while the DTS bass is more level. Lets also remember that on those 5 Warner DD/DTS titles, They set the dolby dialoge normalization feature to 0, which is not it's default settings of 4. Would this in a sense have been "cooking" the DD mix to get it closer to the DTS?
     
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    Slightly off-topic. FYI, HK version of Hero 2 disks set DVD has average video bitrate of 9.43Mb/s and it has full bitrate DTS-ES track and Dolby Digital 5.1 EX. It's an anamorphic transfer too.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Color purple and Amadues SEs were 2 titles I hoped would get DTS.

    They didn't. Neither will Matrix.

    At *least* WB could do DD at 448!!!

    GRRRRRRRRRR..... [​IMG]
     
  14. David Coleman

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    It is disappointing that Warner steadfastly refuses to use DTS! In most cases (not all) i usually prefer DTS to the DD!

    What's even more confusing to me is their use of 384kbs DD! This makes absolutely no sense to me! If I recall correctly even Dolby states that their preference for DVD is the 448! Also doesn't DD 384 top off the high end at 15mhz?

    I hope the powers that be really look at what the people that are buying what as opposed to their own seemingly personal agenda!
     
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    Since most companies have to put out a 2 disc set in order to have both DTS and the bonus stuff, Warner has to create new packaging every time they want to do this (since they can't fit 2 DVD's in their snapper case).

    Maybe that's why? [​IMG]
     
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    Warner knows how to do DD right. There is zero objective evidence that a non-remix, non-EQd DTS track is more transparent to the orginal master than DD is. Zero. The best thing to do is put love and care into the DD track and do it right, and leave the DTS track off.

    I salute Warner for not wasting valuable bitspace and the inevitable picture quality compromises that come with excessive soundtrack data.

    Also, it is important to note that splitting movie SEs onto two discs can increast average bitrate, but the peak bitrate headroom that is lost when adding additional soundtracks can not be reclaimed.
     
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