Neil Brock
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Yes, must have been. Playing fine now.mark-edk said:I just tried ep 11 online and it started playing, so maybe that was a temporary glitch.
Yes, must have been. Playing fine now.mark-edk said:I just tried ep 11 online and it started playing, so maybe that was a temporary glitch.
Typical cheapo MGM cheesy backlot shooting. I was actually thinking about this the other day. Did either Warner or MGM ever do a show on location in the 50s, 60s or 70s? I guess Harry O wasn't completely shot on a set. Were there any before that?Professor Echo said:How does JERICHO hold up? I have very little memory of it. Is it all backlot or was there any European location shooting?
Daktari must have done some location work, at least in parts of California outside the studio.Neil Brock said:Typical cheapo MGM cheesy backlot shooting. I was actually thinking about this the other day. Did either Warner or MGM ever do a show on location in the 50s, 60s or 70s? I guess Harry O wasn't completely shot on a set. Were there any before that?
That's too bad, but is expected, even though I always hope some of these vintage shows may have at least have had some second unit work done on location. You pose a great question. Offhand I can't think of a show either of those studios handled that wasn't backlot centric. I mean besides going to Griffith Park and the observatory, which was always popping up.Neil Brock said:Typical cheapo MGM cheesy backlot shooting. I was actually thinking about this the other day. Did either Warner or MGM ever do a show on location in the 50s, 60s or 70s? I guess Harry O wasn't completely shot on a set. Were there any before that?
Originally Posted by Professor Echo
Offhand I can't think of a show either of those studios handled that wasn't backlot centric. I mean besides going to Griffith Park and the observatory, which was always popping up.
I'm always puzzled by this as all the TV westerns I've seen always use a combination of Outdoor and Studio work, some more than others of course but since they all do it I just accept it accross the board and can't seeing singling out a single show or studio. I have more of a problem with western TVshows using outdoor footage and seeing the same local hills and woods around hollywood or LA, Griffith Park or the Universal open Land used over and over and substituting it for the real west. In many ways I find this cheaper and more cookie cutter than studio sets. Its definately cheaper to take a short drive to some local location and film than it is to build expenseive sets from scratch. Maybe its from living all my life in Southern Cal and being familiar with alot of the locations that I just can't buy most of the outdoor footage as "The Real West". Also since I love and mostly watch films of the 30's to 60's studio sets are so common and I enjoy the work put into them more than finding them a distraction.Gary OS said:Quote: And that's why I'm not as big a fan, generally speaking, of the WB or MGM series. It's hard for me to watch something like HGWT or Rawhide and then plug in a WB western. They're just so darned claustrophobic. The actors are solid. And the plots, while sometimes cookie-cutter, are fairly solid. But I just have such a hard time viewing everything on a sound stage or seeing the same couple of backlot locations over and over and over again. It's just very tough for me personally. Gary "watching some of the Hawaiian Eye episodes were incredibly difficult for this very reason" O.
Originally Posted by Randy Korstick
I'm always puzzled by this as all the TV westerns I've seen always use a combination of Outdoor and Studio work, some more than others of course but since they all do it I just accept it accross the board and can't seeing singling out a single show or studio. I have more of a problem with western TVshows using outdoor footage and seeing the same local hills and woods around hollywood or LA, Griffith Park or the Universal open Land used over and over and substituting it for the real west. In many ways I find this cheaper and more cookie cutter than studio sets. Its definately cheaper to take a short drive to some local location and film than it is to build expenseive sets from scratch. Maybe its from living all my life in Southern Cal and being familiar with alot of the locations that I just can't buy most of the outdoor footage as "The Real West". Also since I love and mostly watch films of the 30's to 60's studio sets are so common and I enjoy the work put into them more than finding them a distraction.
Originally Posted by Richard V
I would think that Studio Set shots are much more convenient for the studios and actors. TV shows (at least in the days of b&w TV) had much smaller budgets and couldn't go on location very much. The only show from that era that used a significant amt of on location shooting is "Have Gun, Will Travel", and that was probably due to the insistance of Richard Boone. Anyways, the only show that bugged me with their sets was Bonanza, and that is probably because it was shot in color, and much easier to forgive the look of Studio sets when it is in B&W, at least for me.
Originally Posted by Flashgear
A few more thoughts on tv westerns and the value of location shooting...with Rawhide it would give the show feature film production values apparent in the show's look...I couldn't care less if the Arizona locations were not on the mythic Sedalia trail...seeing Mission San Xavier del Bac, the Casa Grande ruins and Cochise Stronghold Canyon gave the show a unique look...the beautiful Oro valley and Santa Rita mountains, Coronado National Forest, Old Tucson...the show also shot in New Mexico...in August 1959 the production company arrived in Tucumcari, N.M. to film 5 episodes for season two...the production company numbered some 65 people..a six week shooting schedule being.an expensive undertaking, for sure, but the film footage taken there would turn up repeatedly for the seasons to come...to edit into the outdoor footage shot on the day commutes to Bell family ranch, Iverson, Griffith Park etc...I wonder if the U.S. park service would allow a film company to rig pyrotechnic bullet ricochest effects for a shoot out sequence at a National Monument like Casa Grande today? ha, ha...
I know that Bonanza too often remained stuck on their soundstage Ponderosa set, but when they ventured further afield to places like the Antelope valley and Lake Los Angeles the results were stunning...take a look at the episode "Twilight Town" on the recently released season five...wow...
Thanks, Gary! I'm thrilled that we're getting season 6 of Rawhide soon...season 5 had quite a few great episodes, and we know that season 6 is likewise...I'm glad that WB has launched the new streaming service, but hope that doesn't preclude dvd releases of the corresponding shows, I don't think it will, considering the sucessful model developed by the Warner Archive...I'm looking forward to buying Dr. Kildare, and quite a few more of their coming releases...Gary OS said:Quote: Good info, Randall. Thanks for sharing that with us. You summed up my feelings well with your comments. The point for me isn't whether a filming location is the actual location, but whether or not it feels real to me. When a western films outdoors (not even a small back lot, an actual outdoorsy location) I can get into the moment onscreen. But when I can clearly see the backdrop is nothing more than just that - a painted backdrop or projected backdrop - I'm generally taken out of the moment in a hurry. Those that aren't affected by this phenomenon should count themselves blessed. I wish it didn't stick out to me like a sore thumb. But it does and there's really nothing I can do about it. So I'm going to prefer the location shooting westerns to sound stage westerns every single time. It just is what it is. Gary "no disrespect to WB classic TV fans intended - just sharing my view on their westerns (and to a lesser extent their detective series)" O.
Since you keep singling out WB westerns I'm curious which ones you are referring to that are all or mostly filmed on stages. I'm assuming it must be Sugarfoot, Bronco, Colt .45 and The Dakotas as I have not seen those but I thought they would have been the same as the ones I've seen. I have seen most of Maverick, Cheyenne and about a season of Lawman and those are definately no different than the average TV western like Gunsmoke, Bonanza, Rifleman, Big Valley, Wagon Train, Wanted Dead or Alive The Virginian and most of the Westerns Timeless has released. Meaning they are 50% soundstage, 50% outdoors. So I don't see the reason for singling out WB when their western TV shows were par for the course on outdoor photography vs. stages. What makes Maverick and Cheyenne standout though is the production values and great scripts they were given make them feel more like a movie. Gunsmoke is another that has this quality. Back to the indoor sets I don't think it bothered the genaral public much since the two longest running westerns and tv shows in general Gunsmoke and Bonanza were full of indoor sets. To be honest if you didn't point this out I would have never given it a thought as soundstages are so common with TV of the 50's and 60's and all movies from the 30's - 60's that I never pay attention to it. I'm used to it I guess since thats what I mainly watched. It sounds more like a complaint from someone younger when they complain about b & w vs. color or model work vs. CGI.Gary OS said:Quote: Good info, Randall. Thanks for sharing that with us. You summed up my feelings well with your comments. The point for me isn't whether a filming location is the actual location, but whether or not it feels real to me. When a western films outdoors (not even a small back lot, an actual outdoorsy location) I can get into the moment onscreen. But when I can clearly see the backdrop is nothing more than just that - a painted backdrop or projected backdrop - I'm generally taken out of the moment in a hurry. Those that aren't affected by this phenomenon should count themselves blessed. I wish it didn't stick out to me like a sore thumb. But it does and there's really nothing I can do about it. So I'm going to prefer the location shooting westerns to sound stage westerns every single time. It just is what it is. Gary "no disrespect to WB classic TV fans intended - just sharing my view on their westerns (and to a lesser extent their detective series)" O.