Want to know why the Airlines are going bankrupt?

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  1. Craig Chatterton

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    Here's one reason: http://www.citypaper.net/articles/10....godfrey.shtml
    This kid was banned from ever flying United Airlines again because of a book he brought with him.
    I fly a lot, and I'm willing to put up with random searches, increased security, etc. But I don't think it's fair that I'm allowed to fly because I have a job, and this kid who's currently out of school and looking for work was banned from flying because they thought "he had nothing to live for."
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    What an amazing story... I like this quote:
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    The first reason, she said, was that Godfrey was reading a book with an illustration of a bomb on the cover. Secondly, she said, he purchased his ticket on Sept. 11. (Godfrey bought the ticket on Priceline.com shortly after midnight, at least eight hours before the World Trade Center was attacked).
    And the final reason cited by the United employee was that Godfrey’s Arizona driver’s license had expired. The employee pointed to a date to substantiate this allegation.
    "No," Godfrey told her. "That’s the day the license was issued."
    The woman then pointed to another date on the card, Feb. 17, 2000, contending it was the expiration date. Godfrey countered that the date identified him as "under 21" until then.
    "Too bad, it’s too late," the flight attendant informed him.
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    I wish they would concentrate on more real threats instead of ridiculous things like this.
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    I mean, if you are so oblivious to the fact that you are carrying about that is about random acts of terrorism and has an illustration of a man holding dynamite, then basically you get what you deserve.
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    The book was not a threat to airplane security. I don't understand how you can say he got what he deserved. How about if he had read the Time magazine special issue with the exploding twin towers on the cover? Should he have been prevented from flying then too?
    Of course, who knows how accuare the reporting is. A lot of time the news are twisted to make a better story. But it seems unlikely this kid was a threat.
    /Mike
    [Edited last by MickeS on October 23, 2001 at 10:39 AM]
     
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    I guess I better leave my Tom Clancy novels at home the next time I travel by air. If this kid's story is true, then common sense has taken a back seat to paranoia.
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    I feel ashamed this happened in my city, and even more ashamed that our local papers did not cover the story
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    people shouldn't judge a book by its cover.
     
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    Sounds like a pre-cursor to Fahrenheit 451 to me.
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    "Want to know why the Airlines are going bankrupt?"
    I wonder how many of the owners and execs have taken pay cuts since last month to help their companies recover.
    I saw on the news,not many.
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    I'd rather sit next to that kid than a little old lady who has no book, no magazines, just a wallet full of pictures of her grandchildren and a yearning to connect to a stranger. [​IMG]
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    I don't think that this will be the last case of this we will see, but his mistake was returning.
    I hope there is more than one airline going to Phoenix, and I would have never flown on Delta again. He should have had them book a flight on another airline from another airport, and taken the train there. Not too bright, IMO.
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    Just remember people, once you are "there" you get a completely different perspective than sitting behind a computer. Rationale and reasonability just don’t have the same priority.
     
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    quote:
    I don't think they were worried about the book, per se. Rather, the profile of the individual:
    - In his early 20s
    - Dropped out of college
    - No job
    - Expired drivers license (so they thought)
    - Reading book about violent social anarchy
    - Traveling alone
    - Bought ticket on Sept 11; one month previous
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    Sounds like most people in their early 20's to me, and the driver's license wasn't expired.
    Let's see... the profile of the hi-jackers were:
    - In their mid 30's
    - College educated
    - Employed? Don't know
    - Valid drivers license, as well as aviation licenses
    - No books
    - Travelled in groups
    - Bought tickets the same day
    In other words, pretty much the opposite of the profile of this suspected terrorist.
    Maybe we should stop everyone that fits that profile from flying too, at least first class would be less crowded...
    /Mike
    [Edited last by MickeS on October 23, 2001 at 06:28 PM]
     
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    This whole thing is so stupid...can you say lawsuit? I sure hope that kid can. If the story is as clear cut as the article makes us believe it is then there really is no argument the airline and the security people can use. And if they say he was a security threat I sure hope they are prepared to prove it. The security people are still trying to make themselves look good when everyone in the world knows how messed up the system still is. This kid was no dangerous than those grannies who are getting their knitting needles confiscated.
     
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