Updated NOUSAINE subwoofer data list.

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  1. Tom Vodhanel

    Tom Vodhanel Cinematographer

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    Added some,tweaked others.
    Two interesting notes...
    1) TN just(re)reviewed the ASW1000. This time, it's performance was barely average. I aksed him about the large differences between the 1st and the 2nd reviews(which were a couple years apart). TN replied it was either a QC issue(quality control on BW's part)...or a "decontent" of the subwoofer issue(specifically the driver). In other words --- BW has *decontented* (downgraded) the ASW1000 without mentioning this to the consumer.
    Buyer Beware...
    2) The parenthesis to the far right of some of the model lines indicate a data manipulation I've performed on my own. I basically eliminated the 63hz consideration from the data...so they figure in the parenthesis will reflect a 25-50hz(25,31,40,50hz) average. I performed this with all of the models that I had accurate 63hz output for.
    Reason? Because almost any subwoofer can play loudly at 63hz. And some play SO loudly, that the 63hz figure can distort the overall output(avg) across the lower frequencies. For example...if subwoofer *X* hit...
    25hz-95dB
    31hz 100dB
    40hz 105dB
    50hz 110dB
    63hz 115dB
    the *AVG* = 105dB. This seems pretty good...until we look a little closer and see the 63hz output is 20dBs higher than
    the 25hz output!
    Unfortunately, this is very typical of most commercial subwoofers. Anyway...have fun...
    TV
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    All figures are for a corner loaded subwoofer, 2 meter mic distance,10% distortion limit,and the SPLs have been averaged from the maximum output at 1/3 spacing at 25/31/40/50/63hz.
    VELODYNE F1800 - 112dB / 16hz~102dB__ 20hz~106dB
    KLIPSCH KSW300 - 109dB / 25hz~92dB (107.25)
    MISSION 700as - 108.1 / 25hz~102dB(106.8)
    BW asw1000 - 107.9dB / 25hz~96dB
    BW asw1000 *review #2* -101.9dB /20hz~71dB__25hz~84dB(99.9)
    VELODYNE FSR15 - 107.8 / 20hz~102dB__25hz~105dB
    Paradigm PW2200 - 107.4dB / 20hz~91dB(106.25)
    Paradigm Servo15 - 107.3dB /21hz
    HSU RESEARCH VTF-2 - 107.1 / 20hz~93dB(106)
    HSU RESEARCH TN25(w/250w) - 107.1dB / 25hz~96dB *(106)
    BW asw2000 - 107dB /29hz limit-no SPL given(105.25)
    Cerwin Vega cvt300s - 107dB / 16hz~80db__20hz~92dB(106)
    Cerwin Vega LW12 - 106dB / 20hz~89dB(103.4)
    POLK 650 -105.9dB / 25hz~90dB(103.55)
    VELODYNE ct150 - 105.3dB / 20hz~82dB(103.875)
    JBL D112 - 105.2dB / 25hz~95dB
    KLIPSCH KSW12 - 104.9dB / 25hz~90dB(102.4)
    Boston Acoustics PV800 - 104.4 / 20hz~85dB(103dB)
    PSB subsonic 3i - 104dB /28hz limit-no SPL given(101.25)
    Phase Technology PC500(towers) - 103.6dB
    Sound Dynamics rts1200 - 102.1dB /25hz~92dB(100.125)
    VELODYNE VA1012 - 102dB / 29hz-no SPL given.(101.25)
    ENERGY ES12xl - 101dB /28hz-no SPL given(99.75)
    VELODYNE ct120 - 101dB / 20hz~87dB(99.75)
    MK - mx105 -100.6dB / 25hz~86dB
    ATLANTIC TECH 272 PBM - 100.5dB/ 20hz~85dB(99.375)
    INFINITY hps250 - 100.2dB / 25hz~82dB(98.25)
    SUNFIRE Jr. - 100dB/25hz~95dB(97.5)
    VELODYNE FSR12 - 99.7dB / 20hz~94dB
    POLK RMDS-1 - 98.6dB / 25hz- 77dB(96.25)
    VELODYNE FSR10 - 98.4dB / 20hz~92dB
    Paradigm PDR10 - 98dB / 25hz - no SPL given(95.25)
    MIRAGE frx s10 - 97dB / 25hz~84dB
    JAMO sw505 - 97dB
    Klispch KSW10 - 96.9dB / 25hz~85dB(94.875)
    TANNOY PS110 - 96.8dB / 20hz~71dB__25hz~84dB(99.9)
    CANTON AS25 - 96.8dB / 25hz~80dB(94.875)
    Atlantic technology 4.5 - 96dB / 25hz~82dB(93.5)
    MK V-1250thx - 96dB / 25hz~86dB
    Paradigm 90P(towers) - 95dB / 20hz - no SPL given
    ACI titan - 96dB / 25hz~80dB(93.5)
    Aura Lss-107A - 95.2dB / 25hz~73dB
    Celestion cswII - 95dB / 25hz~78dB
    ENERGY Encore8 -94.4dB / 25hz~78dB(92.3)
    ENERGY XL8 - 94dB / 25hz~78dB
    POLK PS-120 - 94dB / 32hz -no SPL given
    Wharfedale Modus - 93.1dB
    DEF TECH BP2002TL Tower - 92.3dB / 25hz ~80dB (single tower)
    Cerwin Vega hts15 - 89dB (107 from 40-100hz) / 39hz
    DEF TECH Pro Tower400 - 89dB / 25hz~81dB (single tower)
    -----------the following use a 25-50hz range----------
    Boston Acoustics VR2000 -109dB
    Hsu Research 12V (150w) -106.5dB / 25hz - no SPL given
    Cerwin Vega HT-PWR12 -105.9dB / 25hz - no SPL given
    BW asw800 -105.1dB / 26hz - no SPL given
    Klipsch SW12 series2 -104.6dB ~(32-50hz) / 32hz - no SPL given
    ADS ms3 -104dB
    Phase Technology 1.0 Octave -103.3dB / 25hz -no SPL given
    Velodyne VA-1215x -102.6dB / 25hz - no SPL given
    BAGEND 18" -102.5dB *
    MK MX-125 101.8 - dB / 25hz - no SPL given
    TRIAD Silver - 100.2dB / 25hz - no SPL given
    PBS Subsonic III - 100.1dB / 25hz - no SPL given
    SUNFIRE
     
  2. Bob_M

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    TV,
    Thanks for all the work on this list. One question, couldn't we merge you second set of subs with the first since you eliminated the 63Hz number on the first?
    Bob
     
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    Tom-
    where would you say is the cutoff for what you would deem acceptable performance? Only the top 5 seem to perform well at all, the rest seem like a bunch of overpriced, under-performing crap. No offense to the other owners, I myself have a definitive tech pf1500 that is adequate at best :
     
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    TV, very informative and eye opening data! One question, how is the 10% limit distortion test accomplished?
     
  5. Tom Vodhanel

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    >>>TV,
    Thanks for all the work on this list. One question, couldn't we merge you second set of subs with the first since you eliminated the 63Hz number on the first?
    Bob>Tom-
    where would you say is the cutoff for what you would deem acceptable performance?
     
  6. Drew Bethel

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    TV, I think you missed my question above. But one more, the ct120 is louder than the 150 at 20hz??? How could this be?
     
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    I sent Ron Epstein a note asking that this list be made one of the Harware Archives. Is there anyone else who thinks this would be a good thing to do? If so, perhaps expressing your support in this thread will help it to happen. Artie.
     
  8. Tom Vodhanel

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    >>>TV, very informative and eye opening data! One question, how is the 10% limit distortion test accomplished?
     
  9. Joe_Jensen

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    TV,
    Any test data on the new Aerial sub?...joe
     
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    Hey TV,
    Yes it is a long way from SMR. I still think there may be more to subs than low, loud and clean but I enjoy your data and understand it's importance. Thanks for the welcome.
    Bob
     
  11. Tom Vodhanel

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    >>>But one more, the ct120 is louder than the 150 at 20hz??? How could this be?>
    TV,
    Any test data on the new Aerial sub?...joe>>but I enjoy your data and understand it's importance. Thanks for the welcome.
    Bob
     
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    TV, do you think 10% distortion limit for TN's tests is a little to strict? Especially for movies...10% might be okay for music...IMO.
     
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    >>>TV, do you think 10% distortion limit for TN's tests is a little to strict? Especially for movies...10% might be okay for music...IMO.
     
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    TV

    Oh yes I remember that one. All kidding aside there is some good stuff of there. For example they just put an article entitled "Blowing the Lid off...Home theater Receivers". This article takes a look at the build quality of 3 or 4 receivers from the inside.
    http://smr-home-theatre.org/blowing
    So which sub or subs at the top of the list do you like? Any favorites?
    Bob
     
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    Does Stan "the man" have a website where his beast can be seen at?
     
  16. Tom Vodhanel

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    >>>So which sub or subs at the top of the list do you like? Any favorites?Does Stan "the man" have a website where his beast can be seen at?
     
  17. Roger Clark

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    Tom,
    ================================================== =========
    "The VELS use a 8:1 *compression ratio*(which would be good for a blown RAT on pump gas---but not for your sub!)..."
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    Geez, you're cracking me up big time, I haven't heard that phrase in at least 25 years. Don't tell me you are/were into hot rods too!!! No wonder you like low loud sounds so much!
    Great data, printing that one out...
    Roger
     
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