Directors Two films, one great, one awful - from the same director?

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  1. PhilipG

    PhilipG Cinematographer

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    The other night I watched my new DVD of Enigma - a truly brilliant film. While looking up the director's bio I realized he also directed the stinkfest The World Is Not Enough. I was shocked, to put it mildly. No doubt I underestimated the importance of other factors (writer/producer/editor/cast/etc).

    So can you name two films, one you loved, one you hated from the same director?

    (Here's an extra one from me: I adored Anthony Minghella's The English Patient, but utterly loathed The Talented Mr Ripley.)
     
  2. george kaplan

    george kaplan Executive Producer

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    This is easy, and I could probably do it for many directors, but the obvious one is Ingmar Bergman.

    The Seventh Seal is a truly great film.

    Cries & Whispers is my most despised film of all time.
     
  3. Lew Crippen

    Lew Crippen Executive Producer

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    What George said on being able to do it for a great many directors. Jean Cocteau comes immediately to mind with:

    Beauty and the Beast, which I consider a magical film—great from almost every perspective and

    The Blood of a Poet, which may be important as a piece of surrealism, but is so incredibly amateurish that it belongs in the dreaded ‘student film’ category. Plus I consider parts pretentious in the extreme.
     
  4. MartinTeller

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  5. Zen Butler

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    Lew beat me to it. In the spirit of the new Italian poll I'd say Antonioni:

    L'Avventura - One of the best Italian films ever.
    Zabriskie Point- IMO, frivolous and a snoozer.

    You could do this all day. Almodovar, Woody Allen, Speilberg anyone?
     
  6. Brook K

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    I'm hardpressed to come up with anything. If I'm a fan of a directors work, they just don't make movies that I hate. I guess I could go with Woody Allen or DePalma, but there's usually a few times I'll laugh even in the Allen movies I don't care for and Mission to Mars is terrible, but I can't say I hated it.

    I guess the best I can do (and keeping in the Italian spirit):

    Giuseppe Tornatore
    Cinema Paradiso: A beautiful, magical film for film lovers, and lovers in general.

    Malena: A hateful piece of woman-abusing slime.
     
  7. george kaplan

    george kaplan Executive Producer

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    Well Martin, it's hard to explain because it's not so much an objective analysis as it is an overall impression. Let's just say that when I finish watching a film, I'm either pleased, unimpressed/indifferent, or irritated. It's hard to say, in most cases, why I'm irritated. For a film like Do the Right Thing, it's easy to say, it's because I view the film as promoting racism.

    For Cries & Whispers, I can only say that the characters, the story, the cheap symbolism of the color schema, they all just irritated the hell out of me. I saw a film that just had a bunch of bitchy sisters hating each other, I guess due to something when they were children, though it was never explained to my satisfaction. Why did these sisters do what they did to themselves and each other? I don't know, and the film didn't make me care. I felt like I lived next door to these psycho bitches and I just wanted to move away and not have to deal with them.

    Similarly, the characters in Jules & Jim all irritated the hell out of me. Maybe it's that I just can't relate to their bizarre behavior. I don't know. Maybe it's some deep-rooted psychological problem in me. I don't know.

    Let's just say that I feel the same way after viewing Cries & Whispers that Brook feels when he hears me talk about it. Brook can't help feeling irritated by my opinions anymore than I can help feeling irritated by the film. [​IMG]
     
  8. Angelo.M

    Angelo.M Producer

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    David Fincher...

    Loved: Seven.
    Hated: Alien 3.
     
  9. Patrick McCart

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    Richard Lester:

    Great: Help!
    Awful: Superman III

    Alfred Hitchcock

    Great: Vertigo
    Awful: Torn Curtain
     
  10. george kaplan

    george kaplan Executive Producer

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    Well avoiding the terms 'awful' or 'hated', etc., let's just say the following are examples of films by a director that I love and one I dislike to varying degrees. [​IMG]

    Kubrick

    [​IMG] Dr. Strangelove
    [​IMG] Barry Lyndon

    Hitchcock

    [​IMG] Rear Window
    [​IMG] Under Capricorn

    Coppola

    [​IMG] The Godfather
    [​IMG] Finian's Rainbow

    James Cameron

    [​IMG] The Terminator
    [​IMG] Titanic

    Woody Allen

    [​IMG] Sleeper
    [​IMG] Annie Hall

    Joseph L. Mankiewicz

    [​IMG] The Ghost & Mrs. Muir
    [​IMG] All About Eve

    John Ford

    [​IMG] Mister Roberts
    [​IMG] The Searchers

    etc., etc.
     
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    John Carpenter:

    Great: The Thing (he has other greats as well)

    Awful: Ghosts of Mars
     
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    Terence Malick:
    Badlands [​IMG]
    The Thin Red Line [​IMG]

    Bob Clark:
    A Christmas Story [​IMG]
    Porky's [​IMG]

    John Singleton:
    Boyz N the Hood [​IMG]
    2 Fast 2 Furious [​IMG]

    Rob Reiner:
    This Is Spinal Tap [​IMG]
    North [​IMG]
     
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    Kubrick
    2001: A Space Odyssey - [​IMG]
    Full Metal Jacket - [​IMG]
     
  14. JohnRice

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    I'll take a lead from George. I have never cared much for anything by Spike Lee, but 25th Hour knocks me out.


    I'll get obscure. Hope I'm remembering this right. Geoff Murphy did the fine little Sci/Fi film The Quiet Earth and then went on to make things like Species 2.
     
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    James Cameron:

    Terminator 2: Judgement Day - [​IMG][​IMG]

    Piranha 2: The Spawning- [​IMG]
     
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    Kubrick:
    Dr. Strangelove-One of my absolute favorite films of all-time.
    2001: One of my most despised.
     
  17. Dome Vongvises

    Dome Vongvises Lead Actor

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    Krzysztof Kieslowski
    [​IMG] - Red
    [​IMG] - Blue

    - I fucking hated that ending to Blue. It sums up almost everything I hated about that movie.

    Strangely enough, I don't get much hell about me hating this film relative to george hating Cries and Whispers. [​IMG]
     
  18. george kaplan

    george kaplan Executive Producer

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    I haven't yet seen Blue, but when I do, if I end up hating it, I will get the flak, and you'll get collateral damage. [​IMG]
     
  19. Jack Shappa

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    Wow, no mention of George Lucas yet. What restraint! [​IMG]

    - Cryo

    P.S. Is this ever subjective. I see several people listing "bad" movies that I thought were good like Full Metal Jacket, Talented Mr. Ripley, Alien 3, etc.
     
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