Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life - Low Center Channel Dialogue Level?

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  1. John Macri

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    Watched it last night and everyone remarked how low the dialogue volume was in comparison to the other channels. To clearly hear conversations, I had to increase the volume to the point that the effects were way too loud. I've never experienced this before to this degree.

    Anyone else observe this?
     
  2. derek

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    I had to bump up my center +2db.
     
  3. Andrew Pezzo

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    I also thought the center channel sounded weak. Very dissappointing.
     
  4. John Macri

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    Glad to see I wasn't the only one who experienced this...
     
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    yup
     
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    yes yes yes
     
  7. Jeff Adams

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    I just watched this last night and I definately noticed this too. I was wondering if my hearing was going bad. Oh well, the movie was not that good anyway. I am just glad it was a rental.
     
  8. Scott Wong

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    I bought it only because I enjoyed the first Tomb Raider. But **nod**, the sound is definitely sub-par. My center channel dialogue was the sameway.

    Scott.
     
  9. John Macri

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    What's amazing to me is that of the 5 or 6 reviews I've read, not one has mentioned this problem. In fact many mentioned how clear the dialogue was.

    Makes you wonder if they even watch the DVDs...
     
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    Sounds like Dolby Digital Dial Norm rears its ugly head again!

    A shame.

    Yet one more reason we need high rez., master quality PCM on the next HD formats.

    Dan
     
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    Am I imagining things or am I just going deaf, but it seems like with a lot of new dvd's lately, that I have to turn the volumn dial up quite a bit, to get an acceptable sound level.

    Randy S.
     
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    It's called Dynamic Range. I can see most people here, don't like it. Use the Dynamic Range Compression feature on your receivers, and you won't have to turn the volume so high, that you'll be blown out of the room, when an explosion occurs. I however, love the range of sound that DVDs have. I have TR: COL and I did not have any problems with the dialog being too low.
     
  16. John Macri

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    Scott:

    I wasn't singling your review out (in fact I didn't see it); no one mentioned the apparent low dialogue problem in any of the website reviews.

    I'll admit my hearing isn't the best, and some DVDs are mixed better than others regarding dialogue but based on the responses to this thread something's not right (or we're all going deaf).

    BTW: Dial Norm on my Denon is at "0" (75db) although I rarely play it that loud...
     
  17. Scott Kimball

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    The surrounds are very active, and the score was at times overpowering (something I did comment on in my review), but I had no problem hearing the dialog at all, with the exception of understanding the Scottish accent at times. Of course, I'm working on several-weeks-old recollections here.

    My hearing is perfect, literally (I wish my eyes were so good). I also have near-perfect pitch. Hearing dialog isn't likely to be a problem for me... so I may complain about other aspects of the mix being too hot, rather than the dialog being too low. I guess it's a matter of perspective.

    -Scott
     
  18. Brian L

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    Interesting thread..

    I rented this for my wife. I was doing other things while she was watching, but I distinctly recall being very surprised how loud she had it. There action sequences were rocking the house, and she NEVER enjoys films at the "appropriate" volume as I do.

    But, if the film DID have very wide dynamic range as previously suggested, or if the dialog was simply a few clicks lower than normal relative to the loud sequences, that would easily explain why she had it cranked so loud.

    Not that I am complaining....its good to see the missus using the system properly[​IMG]

    BGL
     
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  20. Lewis Besze

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    The only thing this movie was lacking[soundwise] is the bass.I agree the dialog was fine,and yes it was very dynamic.This will no doubt will joint to movies like TPM and Reloaded as the"dialog is too low" for some people.Count me out.[​IMG]
     

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