To Those Calling Retailers for LORD OF THE RINGS: Please Stop!

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  1. Ronald Epstein

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    Dear members,
    Do me a personal favor.
    Stop calling the mail-order retailers
    asking for early copies of LORD OF THE RINGS.
    There are none to ship until release date.
    Perhaps some mail-order retailers have managed
    to ship out early copies, but you know what, there
    is a benefit in PREORDERING.
    I have been getting phone calls from several
    on-line retailers who wish the word get out
    that they have no early copies of LORD OF THE RINGS
    to sell. They will be released on street date
    and not before.
    Furthermore, if you have received an early copy
    from a retailer, DO NOT POST THEIR NAME ON
    THIS OR ANY OTHER FORUM, because trust me,
    New Line is just hoping to bust these guys and
    they are watching this forum.
    Don't ruin a good thing if you got it cause you
    won't be getting it again!
    Just please stop calling mail-order retailers
    about getting a copy early. It's not going to happen!
    Thank You
     
  2. Brian_L_Kleis

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    Thank you for saying something about this. I'm a former retail person, who has always been very strict about street dates. I had opportunities to get early copies and such, but realize the importance of all sale/rental outfits having the same opportunity to get the product out there. I've seen a few Wal*** locations with items out in stock weeks in advance, and hard as it was to resist, I raised a stink and made a manager come out and take them all to the back again. Unfortunately, checking the next day, they were back out in stock, and I did the same thing again.

    Unfortunately it was only one store in a huge chain and I'm only one guy, but hopefully they'll at least think that somebody out there is paying attention to what product they're trying to throw out. Just try to respect the street dates. If an online order comes a day or two in advance, blame fast shipping or something. But try to be patient - We'll all get it in good time...

    My little moment of daily digital zen...

    And thanx again Ron...
     
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    This makes me happy, since I'm a spiteful little snot who hasn't got his copy yet [​IMG] If I can't get it early, no one can, consarnit! [​IMG]
     
  4. PhilipW

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    Ron,

    A serious question about your post. Not trying to be a smart ass or confrontational but why wouldn't we want the studio to come down on retailers that break street dates. I realize as a consumer we're happy to get the movie early but this also helps the pirators. We gripe about OAR yet we don't want to help out the studios on street date breakers?

    A serious question. If you don't want to answer on the forum you can PM me.

    Thanks
     
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  8. Ronald Epstein

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    Here's the situation....

    I'm a DVD fan just like everone here on
    this forum.

    I like nothing more than walking into a retailer
    and seeing titles out days to weeks early. There
    have been times that I have received mail-order
    DVDs early as well.

    Why ruin a good thing? I'm on the side of most
    everyone on this forum that doesn't want our
    favorite retailer busted for putting copies out
    early on the shelves.

    I'm certainly not praising what retailers are
    doing, but I don't want this forum to become a
    haven for tattle-tales who will only ruin the
    benefits many of us DVD collectors have enjoyed.

    What's really sad is that most people on this
    forum understand this concept and the fact that
    this RULE of ours is for the benefit of our
    membership. Yet, I read other sites where members
    blatantly give out store and on-line retailer names.
    One guy on another forum even gave the address of
    one of my favorite New York City stores that always
    breaks street dates by mentioning a famous landmark
    across the street from it. Why do people feel the
    need to do say these things?

    Are we wrong for not helping the studios by letting
    people blurt out retail names and store locations?
    No. I think we are doing everyone a favor here by
    keeping this benefit alive for all of us. Let the
    studios use their own means other than the on-line
    community to bust these retailers.
     
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    "Do I really want Whatever-mart to get an unfair advantage over the Mom and Pop shops"

    In most cases, it's the Mom & Pops that are getting us product early, not StuffMart. I'm a happy early owner of LOTR (totally unexpected), but I appreciate that since I've been in the queue with my pre-order for 4 months, that I'm getting some benefit. Remember, New Line got my money either way, and I'm not blabbing with reviews, sneak peeks, reselling for profit, etc.

    I agree with Ron strongly on this -- if you want at least the chance to hit the lottery once in awhile, do your vendor a favor and don't spread their name so they can get nailed by a studio. Again, the studio got their asking price from me either way, there is little to "gain" for HTF users by stopping this practice unless you simply spite those that were lucky enough to receive their copies. That's a pretty poor reason to turn in a vendor, IMHO.

    Rich
     
  11. Brian_L_Kleis

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    I don't spite anyone at all for anything - I've had my opportunities to get early stuff, and have chosen not to. Please don't frown on me for just wanting people and retailers (all types) to simply 'play by the rules'...
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    Just my luck -- I never get stuff early. [​IMG]
    But, still, I agree with everything Ron has said. At least everyone else can get their enjoyment out of it. I'll just eagerly wait 'till August 6th. Damn, that's going to be a hell of a day for my wallet!! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    I agree with ron. I was a moderator at another forum and was always enforcing this rule over there. Needless to say I got flack for it all the time.
     
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    Two things:
    1) About the receipt/rebate issue mentioned above, just remember that those same Xmart stores have very liberal return policies. There are many ways to enjoy your favorite DVD early and still get a receipt with the correct date... [​IMG]
    2) I completely agree with Ron. We should keep our findings to ourselves. I love finding that long-awaited DVD days and sometimes weeks early. I had Phantom Menace in my collection a full 9 days before street date thanks to an unattended pallet of freight on the sales floor of an Xmart. I'm sorry for the mom and pop retailers that play by the rules and continue to get crushed by the Xmarts of the world, but those are the breaks. People vote with their dollars and those dollars can buy more at Xmart than they can at Mom and Pop's. Even if Mom and Pop's broke every street date by a week, I still wouldn't give them $29.99 for something that I could find at Xmart or Circuit Buy Club a week later for $17.99. Therefore, tattling does no good. Mom and Pop still wouldn't get my business...
    Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
     
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    The thing is, 2 or 3 times a year, there comes a time when Tuesday-Sunday is shot to hell, and you KNOW that you something's coming out and Monday is the only day you can really sit and enjoy something. It's happened to me several times. In fact, I went to my local store's midnight opening for Bruce's new album just so I can get Speed which I won't be able to watch until Sunday night. I just finished watching it. Sweet [​IMG].
    What I find bass-ackwards about street dates is that for some people, there's really only one place to buy the stuff in the first place, so competition is a moot point.
    Still, I can see why it's a problem stating where you can get stuff early.
    Why are retailers calling YOU, Ron?
    Mike
     
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    I had Collateral Damage 2-3 weeks before street date, pretty incredible.
    I see the LOTR discussion threads have too many "Where can I get it?" It does clutter the threads, folks.
     
  18. John Berggren

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    I think it's a good rule, but I was under the impression that this rule has existed for some time. Don't post street breakers.
     
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    Ron,
    It may be a good idea to close This thread.
    Good job as always with the forum! [​IMG]
     
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