SVS CS+ 16-46 vs PB2+

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  1. Krystian C

    Krystian C Stunt Coordinator

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    Hi all,

    Getting ready to take the SVS plunge after so many positive reviews from all you happy SVS owners. I was all set to pick up a pair of CS+ 16-46, that was until I started reading all the hype on the PB2+. Now I am a not sure what to buy.

    Anyone know how well the CS+ 16-46's compare to the PB2+?

    I know the pair of CS's cost more than a single PB2+, so will the performance dictate the price difference?

    Would a pair of PB2+'s be overkill?

    My room is currently 12x20 with 10' ceilings, but I will be moving to a dedicated Theater Room in a while. It will be about 14 x 30 with 9' ceilings.

    If all goes well I will be picking either one by the end of August.[​IMG]

    Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanx.

    Krys
     
  2. Zack_R

    Zack_R Stunt Coordinator

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  3. Krystian C

    Krystian C Stunt Coordinator

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    Zack,

    The low excursion is where I am a little torn. I would really like to be able to go as low as possible for some of the rare movie tracks out there. But at the same time, I know there is a hell of alot more soundtracks that utilize the mid 20's and up, then there are 25 and below.

    I know the PB2+ can be tuned to 16, 20 or 25. But not exactly sure of the trade off for blocking ports.

    I have sent an email to Ron and Tom already, just waiting to hear back (Monday I hope). Just figured I would troll for some info over the weekend.

    I know the
     
  4. Edward J M

    Edward J M Cinematographer

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    If I had a choice (cost no object) between dual 16-46 PC-Plus or a single PB2-Plus, I'd take the dual cylinders hands down.

    The PB2-Plus might have more output above 25 Hz, but if it does, it will be a very small advantage. I know the 16-46 enclosure has the least overall output of the three cylinders in exchange for the extra extension, but the dual cylinders will have a considerable port area advantage, and almost 200 watts more power.

    On the contrary, the dual cylinders will have a considerable advantage below 20 Hz, and at 16 Hz it will simply be no contest. Yes, you can tune the PB2+ to 20 or even 16 Hz, but in the process you are losing considerable port area and output, whereas the dual 16-46 retains full port area and a stock 16 Hz tune.

    Zack really made the best point - you couldn't have picked a more disparate comparison in the entire line-up. If you want to really troll the subsonic regions at max volume and be sure you are getting ALL the bass (even if it only lasts for a few seconds on a handful of DVDs), the get the duals. But you will be paying a considerable premium over the PB2+.

    Regards,

    Ed
     
  5. Steve_D

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    Don't forget, the 16-46 has the flatest overall FR curve, thus being the music lovers choice as well. In other words, its not just the few seconds of a few DVD's that MAY make the 16-46 the right choice.
     
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    You will also be able to stagger the dual subs placement to reduce room problems, and run stereo subs for music playback.
     
  7. Krystian C

    Krystian C Stunt Coordinator

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    Hey all,

    Well I got a response from Ron. Looks like my best option will be the CS+ subs. The 2 CS+ will have an edge over the PB2+, and the tweakability of the CS+ subs is definately appealing. Now all I have to do is work my ass off this month (97 hrs OT in August) and I should be placing an order no later than Sept 15th. Thanx for the help all, mush appreciated.

    Krys
     
  8. Edward J M

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    One question: Why the CS-Plus and not the PC-Plus?

    Do you already have a spare 500 WPC high current amp and the SVS01 Marchand Bass Box? Because that's what you would need to equal the features and power of dual PC-Plus.

    The PC-Plus has the onboard 4 position SS filter and continuously variable (0-180) phase control. IMO, it offers a less complicated and neater plug and play hook-up. All you need is a Y splitter off the subwoofer pre-out, two sub cables, and you're in business.
     
  9. Krystian C

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    Ed,

    Don't have a spare amp kicking around, I am just getting the Sampson, with plans to upgrade in the future. My plans are to possibly pick up a couple mono blocks down the road, and I will be using the samson to power a few Bass Shakers, or Butt Kickers. I know the setup is a little more difficult, but I like the seperate amp, and the options the setup would provide. That is also part of the reason I was torn between the PB2+'s. They are essentially plug and play, and I like seperates, everything else in my system is, may as well go seperates for subs as well.
     
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    Something I found that works for me is running my AV15 20Hz tuned sub along with my duel 25-31 CS+'s located in the same corner. I had misgivings about this approach until I tried it. It gives me all the SPL, depth, headroom plus quality of bass that I have been looking for in my 12 X 24 X 10' ceiling leaky 2880 cubic ft HT room. This configuration has finally slain my need/obsession to upgrade in the bass dept. I calibrate all three individually and then bring them all back to a flat on up to a +3dB calibration collectively for HT.
     
  11. Lynn Little

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    "Don't forget, the 16-46 has the flatest overall FR curve, thus being the music lovers choice as well. In other words, its not just the few seconds of a few DVD's that MAY make the 16-46 the right choice."

    Steve, this is a VERY valid point. I love my twin 16-46 PC+s for music as much as I do for movies.
     
  12. james e m

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    How would dual PB2+s do against dual 16-46 PC+s? I guess what I'm asking is how low and how loud would dual PB2+s be able to compared to the dual 16-46 PC+s? Would the 16-46 PC+s still be able to play lower if the PB2+ was tuned to 16hz?

    James
     
  13. Edward J M

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    Well, you would be asking each PB2+ to vent out a single 4" flared port in the 16-20 Hz region. This would be akin to buying a 25-31PC+ and plugging two ports and running in the 16 Hz tune. The question that begs to be asked is: Why buy this particular model and then expect it to operate full time an octave below its native tune?

    Running a PB2+ or a 25-31PC+ in the 16 Hz tune is really a misapplication of the intended use. Kind of like asking how many Corvettes would it take to tow my 10,000 pound boat trailer when there is a F-350 Super Duty with the PowerStroke turbo diesel sitting in the driveway.

    The 25-31PC+ and the PB2+ were designed at the outset to provide big output above 22-23 Hz in large rooms. These models are not designed to troll at max volume in the subsonic region. That's why SVS gives you a choice; they realize that customers have different wants and needs and that not every sub can do all things equally well, even if it has variable tuning.

    You really need to think carefully about your specific music and HT listening tastes, volume preferences, and room size. Consult with SVS and buy the subwoofer(s) that most closely match those needs, and plan to operate the sub(s) in the stock/native tune most of the time.

    Regards,

    Ed
     
  14. Brian Bunge

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    Steve nn,

    You keep referring to your duel SVS subs. My question for you is why are your dual SVS subs always fighting? [​IMG]
     
  15. Steve Stogel

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    [​IMG]

    I'm a court reporter, so that strikes me as particularly funny.

    Steve
     
  16. Steve_D

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    "Running a PB2+ or a 25-31PC+ in the 16 Hz tune is really a misapplication of the intended use. Kind of like asking how many Corvettes would it take to tow my 10,000 pound boat trailer when there is a F-350 Super Duty with the PowerStroke turbo diesel sitting in the driveway."

    Damn, that's one heavy boat trailer! How much does the whole rig weigh with the boat on it, and what do you pull it with?


    [​IMG]
     
  17. Edward J M

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  18. steve nn

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    OK Mr. Bung[​IMG] You had me thinking there for a second. I enlisted the help of my wife and she set me strait. I figured I was spelling it wrong after your little jest. I didn't get it at first I admit. Slow you know. You must remember the time I let you know how bad I did in spelling, reading, history and math. I did fairly well in the other subjects though. My good looks and personality have kept me afloat thus far. Heck! I've been spelling duel like this for years and I'm afraid I just might keep on making the same mistake for I never use Spell Check::::::::
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    Sorry Krystian for deviating from your question.
     
  19. Richard Little

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    Who would win in a fight between Batman and Spiderman? Since so many people are always asking the question about this SVS verse that SVS, it would be kind of helpful if SVS could put some kind of comparative FR chart up on their site (with the stipulation that the FR's came from their testing and may not be reproducible in your particular room). With the people who know the most about the product conducting the side by side comparisons, variables such as (room, volume, etc.) could remain the same and thus show comparative results under optimal conditions, similar to this link.
    http://www.garmin.com/outdoor/compare.jsp not that a gps has anything to do with subs but a comparison of this type with frequencies overlaid on the same graph would show a good visual representation of the differences. Maybe there is a problem with doing this that I am not aware of else it would have already been done?
     
  20. Steve Stogel

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    This one probably not, though. [​IMG]

    Steve
     

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