Survivor - Nicaragua - season 21 thread

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  1. Patrick Sun

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    The filming is typically finished before the first episode airs each season. Jimmy Johnson is on Fox Football Sundays, so he can't just be in seclusion for the length of this season.
     
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    Ron: That entire season is in the can--save the live finale.

    They usually are already onto shooting the next season by the time the live finale of the previous season airs.

    I am very surprised to hear that he's talking much about it. I guess it depends upon what he's saying. As long as he's only commenting on what has aired, it's okay.



    I suppose it's good that reality shows feature people like Naonka occasionally. They exist. They are real. And they need to be dealt with on a daily basis.
     
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    A lot of people thought Russel was fun because he outwitted people and played a smart, crafty game... was it "villainous" Absolutely. But Russel convinced people to make their choices and go along with him. If Russel had went above and beyond to do something to another contestant, NO ONE would have defended him. Imagine Russel pushing down an older contestant to steal from her. No way would that happen, it's too brash, too open, and it's a scummy move. Naonka openly said she pushed over Kelly because she knew she could knock her off her balance with the artificial limb. And then she offered to BURN IT if she got in her way.


    Russel let other people decide to go along, and he convinced them with cunning. Like it or not, that's a strategy. Brutalizing people or and openly destroying food, etc. is not a strategy, it's just being an asshat.
     
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    I saw Kelly giving as good as she got. Wrestling for the HII clue is not unprecedented -- NaOnka is just lucky Colby wasn't the arbitrator this time around.


    And she wasn't destroying the food to cause the tribe discomfort -- the bananas were accidental bystanders in the struggle for the clue. It's not like she burnt socks or poured out canteens or buried a machete just to cause strife. I mean, that's asshat.


    And aside from finding poorly hidden HII's and being a bully, there wasn't a whole lot of clever strategy from Mr. Hantz. He was interesting for all of the outrageous things he would say.
     
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    She gave as good as she got after she was knocked to the ground! I mean, what are you going to do when someone busts you to the ground?

    Actually, Russel's social game is seriously under-appreciated. Russel managed to convince a whole lot of players, even in All Star to go along with him. He got the votes to oust Rob. He convinced other players that like him or not, he knew who needed to go. And he kept allies until the end.

    I get that people didn't like him, that's fine. But he and NaOnka, though both definitely villains, are two radically different things. When Hantz burned socks, no one knew. She steals in open and flaunts it and yell it's how it should be.

    There is a big difference between crafty-evil and just plain stupid evil play.
     
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    Doesn't it look like Naonka's still wearing Fabio's socks (which she openly stole from him)?
     
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    Naonka is just a walking stereotype. She thinks she's entitled to everything. In her mind, stealing someone elses socks because you can't find your own is normal and there's nothing wrong with it. She's not entertaining, she's annoying, I don't enjoy watching her as a villian with all the head bobs and slang. No thanks.
     
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    NaOnka is The Soup material.


    BTW, I did laugh out loud when she said that the clue was worth a million dollars. Because there was no way in hell anyone at La Flor would figure it out.
     
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    Mikey:


    As a longtime member of the forum...you should know this rule by now.


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    Usually I tend towards similar reactions as Hanson, but on this one we are world's apart. There is nothing "interesting" to me about Nonka, she is crass, and ultimately stupid. It is all about the votes and she is signing up for lots of "bad" votes (to get booted) and all but guaranteeing no "good" votes (if she manages to survive that long).


    Here is hoping she leaves real soon.


    Oh yeah - Marty is a moron
     
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    ...there is the satisfaction that NaOnka will never be able to figure out the clue herself.
     
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    It's all fine, let Naonka continue to act this way, she's playing the dumbest game she can and as a result she will cost herself 1,000,000 clams.
     
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    The other Jimmy was so insistent that Jimmy J should be gone because he craved Jimmy's approval and never got it so he got rid of the father figure who disappointed him.


    Marty was so insistent that Jimmy J gone because he, Marty, felt inferior to Jimmy J and was terrified that others would see him as such.


    Jimmy J made clear in the closing credits (where the music mix is still too loud) that he was ready to go. Too hard.


    Everyone else voted for Jimmy J just to go along (although some may have been swayed at the last moment by Jimmy's honest assessment at the TC that he was a weak link).
     
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    OK, for those of you younger than my 43 years or those who just know everything, can anyone tell me what the hell that means? I know in my house my wife will be dancing jigs when Nabonga gets booted. And I hope she goes down hard - I hope she gets blindsided so we can see that cocky expression change as her name is announced again and again. I hope she gets all ghetto.
     
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    I'd be afraid of the first jerry-springer esque fight at tribal council "You booted me? You booted me??"
     
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    And Naonka throws her tiki torch hitting Jeff Geraldo-style.
     
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    This is befuddling each season. Why, oh why, are they getting this so wrong?!? What can it be about this thirty seconds of television that makes it hard to get right?
     
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    I was thinking the exact same thing when they showed her trying to read it. I don't think she could figure it out if they left her dumb ass on the island for 5 years.
     
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    So, this week's episode had some very high and low points.


    Let's start with the low point.


    Naomi obtaining the hidden immunity idol.


    Let's face it. This girl is trash. Every time she opens her

    mouth I'm in disbelief of what comes out of it. For starters,

    taking the credit for figuring out and finding the idol. That

    credit absolutely goes to Brenda who was smart enough to

    figure out the clue. My only hope is that when it comes
    time for her tribe mates to vote her out (and some are

    disgusted with her already), Naomi feels secure enough
    not to use that idol.


    ...and stop talking about Kelly B's leg. That's just plain

    wrong. I think Kelly has been a huge sport and inspiration

    to the rest of the team. Why go there.


    The highlight of tonight's show? The voting out of Jimmy T.


    While I realize that Dan is a burden on the group, I think

    Jimmy had become a loose cannon. It became very tiresome

    to hear how much he felt he could contribute to the group

    when obviously he wasn't.
     

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