Star Trek sequel scheduled for May 17, 2013 Release

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  1. Gary Seven

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    For the "origin" of the crew there was very little continuity to worry about. The books and spin-offs are not even a consideration. At best they had maybe 2 - 3 episodes that had vague references so it was pretty wide open to do without having to CHANGE the characters completely. This is the biggest problem I had. It was lazy writing with cheap shock values thrown in.

    It's interesting to note that (I hate to do a Star Wars comparison but...) when Lucas changed Han Solo to not fire first, everybody was in an uproar because it IMPLIED a change in character. In Abrams' movie they explicitly change the characters completely(with the exception of Bones who was closest to the original) and the majority are ok with it.

    They have set precedent. The "prime universe" is now in the past and over-written. For all intents and purposes, this new "timeline" in the new prime universe and everything that follows will be based and referenced on that.
     
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    I thnk there is a big difference between going back and changing a character's motivation with CGI in a 20 year old movie (at the time) vs. rebooting a franchise while making some slight changes in the process. I say slight because I thnk the things fans are harping on are not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.
    As a fellow Trekkie, I'm completely ok with this. Why, because I can go back and watch any of those 28 seasons and 10 movies and enjoy them just the same as I always have, even while enjoying these new movies.
     
  3. Lou Sytsma

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    Right on Chris!
     
  4. Gary Seven

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    I see no difference... changes in characters are changes in characters.

    Regardless, it's fine you and others are fine with the changes. It does not change the fact that the effort (or lack thereof) was an exercise in lazy writing and cheap shock values.
     
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    Lucas defenders say the same "it's no big deal" thing about the Star Wars changes. That doesn't change the fact that it IS a big deal to a lot of people, no matter how you try to paint your opinion as "objective" fact.
     
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    This reminds me....I remember in 1975 or 1976 there was talk of a new Star Trek series or film being considered on a flyer being distributed around. (Way before the internet. ) It would star all new actors playing the same roles. I was in high school and my geometry teacher showed this flyer to me that described this potential project because she knew I was a big fan. It was like heresy then! I was too young and stupid to know what to think or do about it. But it did have an address and suggestions for who to write to at Paramount to tell them it was a stupid idea.It would seem that a generation or two of time would need to pass before we can look at the new films objectively.
     
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    I see no evidence of anyone trying to paint opinion as fact. It's all opinion we are voicing when discussing how we feel about the changes. Some like the changes, some don't. And that's ok.
     
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    QFT
     
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    "quantitative feedback theory"?"Quite frankly told"?
     
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    Quit feeding trolls?
     
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    "Quoted for truth".

    I've also seen the similar but more profane
    "Quite fucking true".
     
  12. Lou Sytsma

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    Heheh. Travis has it but I loved the alternatives. :)
     
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    The bottom line is Star Trek is a very tough thing to accomplish in a mainstream movies, the originals have varying degrees of success doing this. Star Trek was about characters and stories and you just cannot develop either in a 2 hour summer movie. The original films still tried, JJ is obviously shooting for the widest demographic and I guess he has too, but I will alway enjoy my trek on the small screen. It's like trying to adapt games of thrones on the big screen, you could accomplish the visuals but you would be doing a disservice to the characters.
     
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    Agreed Dave. I'll be interested in seeing this new movie. But it is the fast food version of Star Trek.
     
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    I have a chance to see this on Wednesday in a IMAX Dome theater but, I've never seen a regular movie in an IMAX Dome theater before (seen those IMAX documentaries before). Is it worth it or is there to much image distortion or that fish eye effect for those who are picky about presentation? I'd like to know what other think before I spend the extra money for these tickets.

    Also, there is another IMAX theater in Birmingham but, I'm not sure if it is a true IMAX or one of those "not quit as big" IMAX theaters, anyone know or know how to find out. I googled it but couldn't find any specific information on the size of the screen.
     
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    So it seems the movie does acknowledge the franchise's roots - from someone who has seen the movie:

    Of particular note is a bit more old fashioned Trek morals and ethics which was nice to see
     
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    I've been avoiding this thread until after I saw the movie. So, before I read all that came before my post, I just want to say I saw the movie and enjoyed it. Probably helped that my dad was sitting next to me and he was practically cheering in his seat and this is a man who doesn't get into "that sci-fi crap". haha He walked out loving it.

    I loved the opening sequence. The villain reveal was not a big surprise for me. I had put it together with the torpedo story. I really enjoyed the performances and was not expecting the surprise cameo where Spock seeked out advice. The ending was familiar and the character death story was very obvious. Knew it would be resolved like that. I am also excited about how the next movie is set to unfold. Let the 5 years begin. Oh, and that Klingon looked freaky!
     

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