Spider-man 3 - On Going Developments (1 Viewer)

[Paul_Scott]

that seems like the natural progression of the material to me-

or at least the implication that Osbourne is putting on the costume, (and then throwing the audience a curve ball by having someone else actually in it while manipulating Harry and having him think he's the one doing it (replete with blackouts and memory lapses).

if they do go for 'goblin mark II' i hope they do a radical redesign of the costume.
the original wasn't freaky, wasn't imtimidating, wasn't creepy, and was no more 'realistic' than anything else.
it was just silly and stiff looking, especially in broad daylight.
the rigid, non emotive face mask was a particularly bad way to go as it reduced both hero and villian to looking like plastic, non emotive action figures.

 

[Holadem]

Holy shit. They haven't written the fecking film yet.

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H

 

[Qui-Gon John]

If 3 is as good as the other 2, it seems a shame to stop at 3. Just seems like there are so many more storys they could tell.

What are they gonna do?

Have Peter die?

Have him just stop being Spider-man?

or

Just find a way to indicate he keeps on doing the Spidey thing, we just don't get to see any more of it?

 

[Jonny_L]

I agree. I've already seen the green goblin in a spiderman movie, I don't need another. If they bring on Venom I'll feel just about completely satisfied with the series as a whole.

 

[Chris Farmer]

Actually raimi has shown some decent respect for Harry by saying that he hasn't yet decided how Harry will respond. He either can take up the mantle of the Goblin and try to avenge his father, or he can understand that the Goblin was what killed Norman Osbourne, not Spider-man, and that the GG needed to be destroyed.

Myself, I never understood why Spidey didn't pull the "certain point of view" motif on Harry and tell him that the Green Goblin killed Norman, and that while he tried, Spider-man wasn't strong enough to save him.

 

[Edwin Pereyra]

Marvel has control of this franchise, not Amy Pascal.

Other films in development for Marvel:


Marvel Character Feature Film Line-Up For 2005
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Film/Character Studio/Distributor Status
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Elektra New Regency/ Fox Filming completed, Jan. 14, 2005 release (1)
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Fantastic Four Fox Filming started, July 1, 2005 release
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Marvel Character Feature Film Line-Up For 2006
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Character/Property Studio/Distributor Status
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X-Men 3 Fox May 5, 2006 release
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Iron Man New Line Cinema Script, slated for 2006 (1)
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Ghost Rider Sony Script, Director, Pre-production, Slated for 2006
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Luke Cage Sony/Columbia Script, Director, Slated for 2006 (1)
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The Punisher 2 Lions Gate Writer, Director, Slated for 2006 (1)
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Deathlok Paramount Script, Director, Slated for 2006 (1)
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Marvel Character Feature Film Line-Up For 2007
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Character/Property Studio/Distributor Status
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Spider-Man 3 Sony/Columbia Director, May 4, 2007 release
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Namor Universal Pictures Script, Slated for 2007 (1)
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The Hulk 2 Universal Pictures Development, Slated for 2007 (1)
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Wolverine Fox Development, Slated for 2007 (1)
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Marvel Character Feature Film Projects in Development

Ant-Man, Black Panther, Captain America, Nick Fury, Silver Surfer, Thor (1)
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Marvel Character Animated Direct-to-Video Projects in Development
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Partnership with Lions Gate to develop, produce and distribute original animated DVD features. Four projects in 2D/3D format are in development with the first release slated for 2006. Characters include: The Avengers 1, The Avengers 2, Iron Man and The Hulk.
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Marvel Character Animated TV Projects in Development
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Partnership with Antefilms Distribution to produce an original animated television series based on the Fantastic Four. 26, thirty-minute 2D/3D animated episodes are planned with initial TV airings in 2006 (1).
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Marvel Character Live Action TV Projects in Development
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Blade and Brother Voodoo are two Marvel characters that are in
development.
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(1) Represents a change from the previously supplied schedule

~Edwin

 

[JonZ]

"who will probably capture MJ"

Add a scientific accident to this and weve already seen it twice before. They have to be careful with these films to not make it a "been there done that" type thing.People will get tired of seeing MJ in distress really quickly (although it makes sense for Harry to target her).

I think Raimi knows who the next villian is and is keeping it a secret.He didnt mention Electro,Lizard or Sandman which makes me think we'll be seeing one or more of those characters.theyre pretty high up in the Spidey Rogues Gallery

"Myself, I never understood why Spidey didn't pull the "certain point of view" motif on Harry and tell him that the Green Goblin killed Norman, and that while he tried, Spider-man wasn't strong enough to save him."

Because he wont tell Harry who his father was(remember the end of the first film "Pete, dont tell Harry").When Harry said you killed my father. Pete said nothing,but now he knows so they could go either way.I think well see Harry as Hobgolin in Spidey4with another villian(yes I know he was GG in the comics, but this is a different universe - Hoby is a slight enough variation to make it seem newer instead of rehashing GG)

Id also like to see 2 movies get filmed at once. Maybe 4 and 5 or something.

"Perhaps Sony feels making this a trilogy will cement the Spidey films' status as "new classics", instead of letting the series run on and on, slowly diluting itself."

A Double Trilogy would be even more impressive since the Star Wars PT is seen as falling short in most peoples eyes.Even if Raimi were to bail after 4, I think theyd keep him on the creative team.Perconally I dont think Raimi, Tobey or Dunst will say no to a 10+ mil pay check.

I thought Tobey and Raimi already decided to come back for #4.

 

[Richard Kim]

Dr. Connors (who becomes The Lizard in the comics) does make an appearance in Spidey 2 as Peter's professor at Columbia University.

However I agree that it's pretty obvious Harry will be the Goblin in Spidey 3 according to the end of the second film.

 

[Chris Farmer]

No Jon, I wasn't saaying that Peter tell Harry Norman was the GG (even though Harry now knows). I mean saying that the GG captured Norman, and Spider-man tried to save him, but wasn't able to do so before the GG killed him, a la "A young Jedi named Darth Vader...betrayed and murdered your father." Seems like it would have been pretty close to the truth and would have spared Spidey and Harry a lot of grief.

 

[Shawn_KE]

I want to see a villian that is a outright bad guy. Not a good person that was turned bad because of a lab acident. That is getting old.

 

[Andrew Grall]

Was Norman ever really a "good person"?

 

[steve_jk]

 

[Jason Seaver]

Well, in the first movie Norman seemed to be pushed into self-experimentation more by desperation than arrogance, and there's no evidence that he was corrupt or dishonest beforehand. Similarly, Octavius in the comics is pretty much an unredeemable figure. Both characters have been softened somewhat when adapted.

Once you get beyond them, though, I'm not sure which of Spidey's rogues gallery would be outright evil and a worthy adversery. Electro, maybe, but the comics haven't used him in long enough that I've got no idea what makes him interesting. Mysterio? Sandman would be a cool visual, but I seem to remember him being on the dumb side (maybe Harry hires him as muscle).

Which leaves us with Venom, but Venom's got too much story for one movie. It might be wise to finish off the "Goblin Cycle" with Harry as Goblin II/Hobgoblin (stick the Black Cat in there as well; say she has stolen something from Harry and his desperation to get it back pushes him to become the Goblin). Then, afterward, you start the Venom Cycle - #4 introduces the black costume, #5 gives us Eddie Brock as Venom, #6 is Carnage.

You may have to recast for a second cycle, but I don't know if that would be a bad thing - #4 would likely be ready for '09 at the earliest, and by then Maguire and Dunst would liekly be older than the comic book characters ever get. Changes are what keeps a comic fresh for 40 years, anyway, and if the Venom series would star - say - Wayne Wilcox and Lindsay Lohan (just to choose guys whose ages might be right), you could probably sell that.

 

[Chris Atkins]

I couldn't echo that comment enough if I were standing in the Grand Canyon.

Although, the only way you could really make it work is to have Spidey take down one of the baddies in a quick sequence in the beginning of the film (something like a Bond teaser). But then, you aren't spending enough time with a particular villain to please your audience.

 

[Jason Seaver]

What if one of the villains has already been established, both visually and as a character? If Spidey 3 gives us Harry as the Green Goblin, I don't see much harm in inserting the Black Cat or Mysterio into the story, lest they be accused of rehashing.

 

[JonZ]

I can definitely see more than one villian working in a film.

I just dont think any of the Batfilms didnt it correctly.

For instance Lizard and GG/Hobby could work with Dr Connors and Lizard taking up most of the screen time and Harry showing up at Spideysighting and getting more than he bargained for and have to end up fighting off Lizard himself(a Harry origin isnt necesarry, we already know it).

Theres ways to do it without the ridiculous scenarios we got in Batfilm 2-4.

And I love the idea of a Spidey film beginning with him taking on a "known" villian.

 

[Lou Sytsma]

Yes a multivillian film with one villian being taken care of in an opening sequence a la Bond films is fine. Beyond that, a 2-2.5 hour film is too constricting to do all the characters justice.

 

[Chuck Mayer]

So do I.

I, and plenty of others, had much the same thought months and months ago. Open with Spidey defeating the Rhino or some mid-tier superwonk. It'd be:

a) visually exciting
b) show that there are levels of supervillains
c) Spidey fights them all the time
d) fun

I am certain if Harry goes GG2, there will be another villain besides him. And I agree that they need to stray from the formula in the third film.

Take care,
Chuck

 

[Grant H]

I think they should do Venom/Carnage as its own trilogy. Might as well wait until Raimi, Maguire and Dunst all drop out though, and go with a fresh, but somehow mature or sophisitcated new acting/directing ensemble.

As it is, Tobey Magurie's going to be like 30 while Raimi's worried about how to write another story about a "kid" growing up. I still wouldn't be surprised if he did the symbiote suit so it could be the equivalent of Spidey on Viagra.

 

[Brian_H]

Here's my idea for how the franchise should progress. Bear with me, my Spidey obsession knows no bounds...

As others have said, I believe they MUST open the next film with Spidey taking on a lower level villain, or at the very least make some mention of it happening in the past. In the second film Peter mentions to MJ that they can't be together because Spider-Man will always have enemies. Obviously this will always be the case with street crime and whatnot, but in the over 2 years (movie time) that he's been Spidey, he's had to deal with 2 villains that could even make him consider staying away from MJ to protect her. They need to show that Spidey is out there fighting characters that he can't whomp on the way to a play. Of course, the fact that half of Manhattan has already seen him without his mask does make it easier for lower level enemies to find out who he is and get to his loved ones, but that's another story.

Next, the story for part 3. The Lizard should definitely be there, as should Harry as Gobby. There's no reason they can't use 2 villains in the film if they put some thought into it. As others have said, Harry has already more or less been fleshed out.

Now, we need to set up Venom, as we all know he's coming eventually. The new movie starts a year or two after the first ends, with MJ and Pete together, Pete doing well in school, and now helping Dr. Connors out in his lab. Connors is working on the same type of regeneration stuff he did in the comics. At the same time intro the symbiote, whether it be made by some scientists or comes from space (I see a good way to use John Jameson again. Have him come back from the moon but something hitched a ride on his ship). They don't need to take things too far with the symbiote, just set up that it's there. It's also a good idea to intro Eddie Brock, even if in a very small way. Just state that he's a photographer for the Bugle, and maybe have Pete beat him to some pics, or Jonah chew him out because Parker always gets the best shots. Just enough to show that Brock doesn't like Parker.

Now, I think for the end of the film Spidey should have to take on both the Goblin and Lizard. They won't be working together (Lizard is basically just a killing machine), so it's more like an all-out brawl, only Pete knows who they both are and doesn't want to hurt them, which makes things tougher. I say that by this point Pete should have come in contact with the symbiote and realized it's made him stronger, which helps him take down both Gobby and Lizzy. Pete finds a way to bring Connors back and the thing with Harry is left up in the air, possibly with him being presumed dead.

After the battle Pete, badly bruised and beaten collapses on his bed after tossing the costume on the floor. Show his alarm clock at some time (say, midnight) then do the standard fade to a new time (say, 3:30 am) and show that Pete is not in bed. Shoot out the window and across the city to show Spidey hanging upside down, in the black costume. A gunshot or someone screaming appears to wake Pete up. He has no clue where he is or how he got there. End the film with him deciding to figure it all out later as he swings off to take care of the trouble.

In the fourth movie have Pete realize that the symbiote is taking over, possibly after almost beating a minor villain or minor street thug to death. With Connor's help he's able to separate from the symbiote, but somehow it makes its way to Brock.

Well that's enough for now. I'm no writer, so just take these as general ideas that someone far more talented than I could make what I would think is a pretty good set of films. There are only a few musts for me:

- Show that Spidey's life isn't all muggers and carjackers.
- Introduce the symbiote in a film that we never even see Venom in.
- Pete must have the symbiote before Brock. I've seen others recommend just having the symbiote made with the super spider dna in a lab and finding it's way to Brock. While this would be quicker, I think it causes us to miss a big part of the Venom character.
- Connors must have an increased role, preferably as the Lizard, and then afterwards. Pete needs someone that can help him in his scientific persuits, especially with dispensing of the symbiote.

BTW, I just don't see them stopping after 3. The Spider-Man franchise is a cash cow for everyone involved.

I also agree with those that said they want to see a villain that's just plain bad. That's what they should've done with Ock, even though I think he worked well in the second film. IMO, the honor of sympathetic villain should've been reserved for the Lizard. It just doesn't get more sympathetic than a doctor that lost his arm as a medic in the war.