Serious Question: Why does TNN have the black bar?

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  1. Dave Dahl

    Dave Dahl Stunt Coordinator

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    Hi all,
    I too have been disgusted with the black information bar at the bottom of the screen. My question, without the flames, bickering, or complaining, is simply: why?
    The people at TNN aren't stupid. They must know that the vast majority of viewers find the black bar both an insult and irritation. Does anybody have a serious answer, or better yet spoken with the station, to explain their rational?
    I am truly baffled by this. I have tried to look at it from their point of view and figure out what benefit it provides, yet am unable to. Help.
    Dave
     
  2. Robert F. O'Connor

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    I think they are theorizing that people surfing by might see a random image of a show and not recognize it as something they like. If the name of the show is sitting there on the bottom of the screen all the time, maybe you'll stop and watch because you recognize it as something you like (or used to like, given the most of the content).
    Of course, if that is the case, they are shooting themselves in the foot (feet?) with all the commercials they shove into their programming breaks. And I wonder how many minutes of these shows are sacrificed to make room for all those commercials?
    Whoever is running this network is just shooting for the lowest common denominator and screw the "elitists" who complain. Joe Sixpack doesn't take the time to e-mail or write letters.
    -Robert
     
  3. Jeff Kleist

    Jeff Kleist Executive Producer

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    The whole reason why bugs began to be used is because when people would go to different cities or areas. They wouldn't know what station was what on the cable box. Of course, they also liked having their brand on screen 24/7 [​IMG] TNN's black bar is something for channel surfing, but you know what? My VCR and most digital cable boxes ID the program and channel when you switch! HOW BOUT THAT?
    That said, the black bar HAS TO GO
    Jeff Kleist
     
  4. Mark_B

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    But when your out of town and don't know the station and your surfing, the time you really need the bug is during the commercials. Of course that is when it is never on. When the show is on you pretty much know what station your on.
    Mark
     
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  6. Derek Miner

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    You want to talk insulting?
    Guess who DOESN'T get a black bar?
    WWF Wrestling!!
    = Derek =
     
  7. AdrianJ

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  9. Glenn Overholt

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    Tom, I don't think it was should or could, but had to. If my memory serves me correctly, NBC copped some news footage from CNN, and did not give them any credit for it. CNN was pretty pissed off, and thus started it off.
    Glenn
     
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  11. Anthony Hom

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    The bar is there as a test to get people used to what will come next:
    The bar will eventually be filled with continous banner ads as you watch the show. The goal will be to evetually switch out commercial breaks with banner ads.
    I know that sounds extreme, but think about it:
    when HDTV comes out, and 4:3 shows still get shown, they will have black bars on the SIDE of each screen. With digital TV they will have the ability to drop banner ads on each side of the show you are watching. At least it will reduce burn-in problem people complain about when watching non-anamorphic widescreen movies.
     
  12. TomRS4

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  13. Jack Briggs

    Jack Briggs Executive Producer

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    But Jeff Kleist is correct in noting that station bugs exist primarily for branding purposes--and, eventually, continuous advertising. As I've asked before here, if the networks are so concerned that channel surfers know which channels they're looking at, why don't they run their fucking station-bug logos during the commercials? Of course, we know the advertisers would be deeply offended. But what about the rest of us?
    Well, I'm not watching TNG on TNN. I am content to wait for the DVDs.
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  14. Craig_T

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    "The people at TNN aren't stupid."
    I disagree.
     
  15. TomRS4

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    Would I care if the bugs were run during commercials? Not at all. Commercials are almost always a waste of my time anyway, and I don't care what they do during the commercials. It's BS that goes on during the show that pisses me off.
     
  16. Anthony Hom

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    The black bar and station bugs are definitely annoying, but what about split screen credits? All the stations seems to have latched on to those and they are just as annoying.
     
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  18. Keith Paynter

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    Also a cruel injustice is the syndicated syndicated cut (no, that is not a typo) of STNG - the digital editing of jump cutting frames in order to shorten the episode for more commercial time is annoying! There are times when everybody's movements have marionette quality - at least it's not as bad as when they ran ALICE and sped up the videotape so that everybody had verbal diarrhea...
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