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Mike Broadman

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Vickie, the second number in a time signature is always either 4 or 8. It simply signifies whether you count the beats in "regular" time or "double" (8 is 4 twice). It's the first number in the signature that tells you what rhythm it's in: 3/4 is a waltz, 4/4 is standard (marches, rock, classical, jazz), 5/4 is the signature of Take 5 by Dave Brubeck and Jethro Tull's Living in the Past, and then you have things like 7/4, 9/8, 11/8, and all sorts of weird rhythm goodies used by prog rockers. Note that 6/8 is the same thing as 3/4, just twice as fast. That's really just a matter of what's more convenient for whoever's writing the music.
That's the basics of time signature. Of course, there is more to rhythm than just the beat. There are so many ways to do 4/4: classical music puts the emphasis on the first and third beats, rock puts it on 2 and 4 (a backbeat, which is technically syncopation), and jazz and blues commonly have shuffle, which is a subdivision of three for each beat.
The rhythmic stuff is what drew me to prog in the first place, and I get a real kick when they flaunt it like Apocolypse 9/8, or Frank Zappa's tune Thirteen, where he starts off the piece by explaining to the audience how to count it off if they want to tap their feet along to it. :laugh:
Vickie rules. I wish my girlfriend could get into this kinda stuff like that.
NP: Porcupine Tree, In Abstentia
 

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Can't guarantee that I'll be successful in changing my view but I'll try.
Ach, I've been a Genesis fan since 1973, and you just started. There's plenty of time and you have a lot to listen to and get to know. I've probably listened to The Lamb a couple hundred times, at least, so I know these little moments well. If I were articulate enough to convey just how wonderful they are, I'd love to be able to do that, but oh well. I think it's great new fans are still being made, and I thank you for posting about it.
 

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Mike, thanks! I took some chorus and band (flute and french horn) but I screwed around too much and didn't learn as much as I should have. Except for learning a couple of madrigals and the score of Fiddler on the Roof, I didn't pay much attention, and forgot it all quickly. If I'd been taught using Genesis, Dave Brubeck, Jethro Tull and Frank Zappa (and Kate Bush!), I'd have paid attention!
 

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Vickie, I understand you completely. Where were you when I was searching for my soul mate? :wink: I've listened to Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound each at least 300 times.

I am biased towards prog, but I'll say it anyway - these discs are some of the best modern music of the century.
 

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Car said:
Which site, what pictures? If we know what you're looking at we can explain them. He dressed in costumes on stage, and I'll bet that's what you're seeing. The old man mask is "The Musical Box," the batwings on the head is "Watcher of the Skies," the Neon box on his head is, I think, "Apocolypse in 9/8." The funky punky look with the short hair and dirty face is Peter as "Rael," the protaginist of The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. The bizarro lumpy bumpy costume is Rael as a Slipperman. I forget what song the fox head was used for. They all mean something. Even the "reverse mohawk" had a meaning. He stopped wearing costumes when he went solo (though he has used makeup at times).
Oh and Jim, I don't blame you for not getting into "The Battle of Epping Forest" because it's very very VERY different from the rest of the songs on that album, but maybe one of these days it will hit you the right way. I couldn't listen to it myself for a long time. It just doesn't seem to fit somehow, but I learned to love it. It's much like "Get 'em Out By Friday" on Foxtrot and "Harold the Barrel" on Nursery Cryme in that it's VERY theatrical. When I listed to those songs, I kind of "take on" those characters and in my mind's eye a play is happening. Epping, the chaotic story of two gentlemen gangs fighting in the forest, is hilarious and is packed with jolly characters and cartoon violent imagery. Imagine a Monty Python-ish skit set to music.
 

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Do you, or anyone here, know of any good unofficial Genesis sites? I'd be interested in ones that focus more on the older stuff. I've found a couple but I don't know if I'm missing the 'HTF' of Genesis sites.
I haven't gone looking for Genesis sites for years, so I hope someone else can point you in the right direction.
This one has a nice database of video pictures: The Fountain of Salmacis
Here's a nice place for lyrics
Someone was looking for the Armando Gallo book I Know What I Like . That site seems a bit old, and more research might be necessary before ordering. It is an essential book for Genesis fans to have, written (and photographed) by a fan, for fans. I have stories about hanging with Armando back in the early '80s that will have to wait for some other time. I must leave now.
np: "The Cinema Show"
 

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Lovers' Leap
Walking across the sitting-room, I turn the television off.
Sitting beside you, I look into your eyes.
As the sound of motor cars fades in the night time,
I swear I saw your face change, it didn't seem quite right.
And it's hello babe with your guardian eyes so blue
Hey my baby don't you know our love is true.
Coming closer with our eyes, a distance falls around our bodies.
Out in the garden, the moon seems very bright,
Six saintly shrouded men move across the lawn slowly.
The seventh walks in front with a cross held high in hand.
And it's hey babe your supper's waiting for you.
Hey my baby, don't you know our love is true.
I've been so far from here,
Far from your warm arms.
It's good to feel you again,
It's been a long long time.
Hasn't it?
The Guaranteed Eternal Sanctuary Man
I know a farmer who looks after the farm.
With water clear, he cares for all his harvest.
I know a fireman who looks after the fire.
You, can't you see he's fooled you all.
Yes, he's here again, can't you see he's fooled you all.
Share his peace,
Sign the lease.
He's a supersonic scientist,
He's the guaranteed eternal sanctuary man.
Look, look into my mouth he cries,
And all the children lost down many paths,
I bet my life you'll walk inside
Hand in hand,
Gland in gland
With a spoonful of miracle,
He's the guaranteed eternal sanctuary man.
We will rock you, rock you little snake,
We will keep you snug and warm.
Ikhnaton And Itsacon And Their Band Of Merry Men
Wearing feelings on our faces while our faces took a rest,
We walked across the fields to see the children of the West,
But we saw a host of dark skinned warriors
Standing still below the ground,
Waiting for battle.
The fight's begun, they've been released.
Killing foe for peace...bang, bang, bang. Bang, bang, bang...
And they're giving me a wonderful potion,
'Cos I cannot contain my emotion.
And even though I'm feeling good,
Something tells me I'd better activate my prayer capsule.
Today's a day to celebrate, the foe have met their fate.
The order for rejoicing and dancing has come from our warlord.
How Dare I Be So Beautiful?
Wandering through the chaos the battle has left,
We climb up a mountain of human flesh,
To a plateau of green grass, and green trees full of life.
A young figure sits still by a pool,
He's been stamped "Human Bacon" by some butchery tool.
(He is you)
Social Security took care of this lad.
We watch in reverence, as Narcissus is turned to a flower.
A flower?
Willow Farm
If you go down to Willow Farm,
To look for butterflies, flutterbyes, gutterflies
Open your eyes, it's full of surprise, everyone lies,
Like the focks on the rocks,
And the musical box.
Oh, there's Mum & Dad, and good and bad,
And everyone's happy to be here.
There's Winston Churchill dressed in drag,
He used to be a British flag, plastic bag, what a drag.
The frog was a prince,
The prince was a brick, the brick was an egg, the egg was a bird.
(Fly away you sweet little thing, they're hard on your tail)
Hadn't you heard?
(They're going to change you into a human being!)
Yes, we're happy as fish and gorgeous as geese,
And wonderfully clean in the morning.
We've got everything, we're growing everything,
We've got some in
We've got some out
We've got some wild things floating about
Everyone, we're changing everyone,
You name them all,
We've had them here,
And the real stars are still to appear.
ALL CHANGE!
Feel your body melt;
Mum to mud to mad to dad
Dad diddley office, Dad diddley office,
You're all full of ball.
Dad to dam to dum to mum
Mum diddley washing, Mum diddley washing,
You're all full of ball.
Let me hear you lies, we're living this up to the eyes.
Ooee-ooee-ooee-oowaa
Momma I want you now.
And as you listen to my voice
To look for hidden doors, tidy floors, more applause.
You've been here all the time,
Like it or not, like what you got,
You're under the soil (the soil, the soil),
Yes, deep in the soil (the soil, the soil, the soil!).
So we'll end with a whistle and end with a bang
And all of us fit in our places.
Apocalypse In 9/8 (Co-Starring the delicious talents of Gabble Ratchet)
With the guards of Magog, swarming around,
The Pied Piper takes his children underground.
Dragons coming out of the sea,
Shimmering silver head of wisdom looking at me.
He brings down the fire from the skies,
You can tell he's doing well by the look in human eyes.
Better not compromise.
It won't be easy.
666 is no longer alone,
He's getting out the marrow in your back bone,
And the seven trumpets blowing sweet rock and roll,
Gonna blow right down inside your soul.
Pythagoras with the looking glass reflects the full moon,
In blood, he's writing the lyrics of a brand new tune.
And it's hey babe, with your guardian eyes so blue,
Hey my baby, don't you know our love is true,
I've been so far from here,
Far from your loving arms,
Now I'm back again, and babe it's gonna work out fine.
As Sure As Eggs Is Eggs (Aching Men's Feet)
Can't you feel our souls ignite
Shedding ever changing colours, in the darkness of the fading night,
Like the river joins the ocean, as the germ in a seed grows
We have finally been freed to get back home.
There's an angel standing in the sun, and he's crying with a loud voice,
"This is the supper of the mighty one",
Lord of Lords,
King of Kings,
Has returned to lead his children home,
To take them to the new Jerusalem.
:emoji_thumbsup: :emoji_thumbsup:
 

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Something else to hum with:

Meanwhile back in the year One

when you belonged to no-one

you didn't stand a chance son,

if your pants were undone.

`Cause you were bred for humanity

and sold to society,

one day you'll wake up in the Present Day

a million generations removed from expectations

of being who you really want to be.


and

In and around the lake

Mountains come out of the sky and they Stand there

One mile over we'll be there and we'll see You

Ten true summers we'll be there and Laughing too

Twenty four before my love you'll see I'll be

There with you
 

Mike-W

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I first became a fan when I heard Watcher of the Skies on the radio on WNEW-FM in NYC in the early 70's. The other song from that era that got me was In the Court of the Crimsom King.
Anybody every hear an Itlaian band called Premiata Forneria Marconi (PFM)? WNEW also used to play them along with KC, ELP, Tull and Yes. A great site for progessive music is Gibraltar Encyclopedia of Progressive Rock http://www.gepr.net/geprfram.htm . You can learn about them and any lots of other progessive bands.
As for newer progressive music I still like KC and have gotten hooked on Tool (who states they were influenced by KC and toured with last year).
I'm suprised no one has mentioned "The Genesis Songbook" DVD. It covers the complete history of the band. It has interviews with all current and past members of the band and has lots of concert clips. BTW, Armando Gallo is on this disc.
 

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Watcher of the skies watcher of all

His is a world alone no world is his own,

He whom life can no longer surprise,

Raising his eyes beholds a planet unknown.
 

Vickie_M

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Creatures shaped this planets soil

Now their reign has come to end,

Has life again destroyed life,

Do they play elsewhere, do they know

more than their childhood games?

Maybe the lizard shedded its tail,

This is the end of man's long union with Earth.

 

David Tolsky

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In regards to all the costumes that Gabriel wore during his years with Genesis, you will learn that he was having some real problems during the live Lamb tours. Especially as the Slipperman, there were times when the costume was so cumbersome that it delayed the show. Phil Collins has said in an interview that he was getting real annoyed during those shows. The Genesis History video shows some home movies of Gabriel in Slipperman garb, trying to work his way out of a "cocoon" and onto the stage. Just amazing. Well, I have to dig out my 20 Genesis CD's and start listening again. I'll get 'em out by Friday ;)
 

Ryan Spaight

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Stonehenge! Where the demons dwell

Where the banshees live and they do live well

Sto-o-nehenge! Where a man is a man

And the children dance to the pipes of Pan

And you my love, won't you take my hand

We'll go back in time to that mystic land

Where the dewdrops cry and the cats meow

I will take you there, I will show you how...
 

Mike Broadman

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Parker, nice Tull reference. God, I love that song. I tried to learn it on guitar, but I gave up. :frowning:
Mike-W, I dig PFM. I only have Per Un Amica and L'Isolia De Niente. I love the folksy light tone of their music. I made sure to get the Italian versions of the albums and not the English one. Even on one of these Italian CDs they sing a song in English and it's awful.
Two other Italian bands I like are Banco Del Mutia Securso (there is no way in hell I spelled that correctly), who were around at the same time as PFM but are very different, especially the vocals, which are operatic; and Deus Ex Machina, a modern band that sings in Latin (!). They are heavier and extremely complicated. Crazy, crazy shit.
 

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Where the dewdrops cry and the cats meow
I will take you there, I will show you how...
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
When there was darkness and the void was king
and ruled the elements,
When there was silence and the hush was almost deafening
Out of the emptiness
Salvation, rhythm and light and sound,
Twas the rock and roll creation
Twas a terrible big bang
Twas the ultimate mutation
Ying was searching for his yang
And he looked and he saw that it was good.
 

Ryan Spaight

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Ying was searching for his yang
And he looked and he saw that it was good.
:laugh:
That stuff still cracks me up after twenty years.
On another subject, speaking of Tull, remasters of Warchild, Minstrel, and Too Old come out tomorrow. Word on the Hoffman board is that they actually sound pretty good.
Ryan
 

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Does anyone know the set list Peter Gabriel has for his upcoming tour?

I'm curious how generous he will be with the a Genesis song list.

Paul
 

Louis C

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Paul,

Gabriel almost NEVER does Genesis material. The only time I saw him do it was because I saw his first solo tour in 1976 (and I've seen him several times and heard many boots). He did "Back in NYC" as the encore. It was quite a sight - Robert Fripp and Tony Levin were in the '76 lineup.

Unforgettable.
 

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