Paradigm seismic 110 or definitive supercube reference

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    Hi all , I am Arun from UAE . To begin with ,couldn't find hsu or Svs showrooms in UAE . After some searching ,zeroed in on seismic 110 and def supercube reference . I would like to know your opinion on which one i should go for . My room is a medium sized room in an apartment . Pls help me .Thanks
     
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    Both will go low but the supercube has more extension into the bottom octaves which to me are important for home cinema, i would go for the supercube, i assume your apartment medium sized room is enclosed and not open plan, if enclosed it will help a lot, if open plan it can sometimes take multiple subwoofers to really get the bass response you want.
     
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    There is no door , barring a door space,it's enclosed . Am the same , logged in using fb account and later registered ,so don't get confused .
     
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    There is a price diff of 250 dollars between the two ,def is exp
     
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    Does the size matter ? Seismic is one 10 inch woofer vs 3 14 inch woofers for def.tech . So will there be a big diff or its just that def tech is slightly better?
     
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    What price can you buy the supercube reference for, also remember that subwoofers are fussy with placement, it can take time to really make it work for your room, if you buy a subwoofer i recommend buying an audio calibration disc and an SPL meter too, then you can dial everything in better and check for room modes that might make your bass boomy or lose you bass at certain frequencies.

    Here are some user reviews, most are saying it won't really hit 11hz but does go to about 17hz and most say its very good.

    http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speakers/subwoofers/definitive-technology/supercube-reference/prd_327369_2741crx.aspx#reviews

    Here is a review of the Paradigm subwoofer.

    http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/subwoofers/subwoofers-reviews/paradigm-reference-seismic-110-subwoofer.html

    The paradigm can get 18hz at 100 decibels, the supercube can do 17hz at 105 decibels, not that much in it considering the woofer differences, i may have to eat my earlier words and suggest both are very good for your needs but whatever one is cheaper you go for.
     
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    Thanks a lot .
     
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    Because Hsu and SVS are internet direct companies. You save because they ship directly from the factory.

    The Def Tech has a single 14 inch driver and two 14 passive radiators.

    Since you are in the UAE, check out
     
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    hi robert ,

    i went and heard the super cube . its impressive though i cannot completely be sure since it was played in a huge hall . dont know whether it will shake my apartment when brought home . i hope adjusting the volume level to 30% may help .
     
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    I'm not sure why the rest of my post was dropped.

    check out
    Do you want it to shake your apartment? I like a little bit of tactile sensation with my bass but I run dual 15's that were built by Teinuro and sold under the TC Sounds name. What I like better is distortion free bass that is flat across the frequency response. Measured, my sub is + or - 3db from 100hz to 17hz.
     
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    sorry robert ,by shaking i meant in the negative sense .i fear the neighbors will kick me out .even i am looking for something sans booming sound and pleasant to the ear . so the general saying is that subs are better if they are big . anyways i have ruled out the paradigm . i just hope this gives me decent bass at low volumes
     
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    My own opinion is that decent very low frequency bass at lower listening levels is impossible, they design these soundtracks to be played at a certain volume and if played too low the best of the bass goes AWOL, yes you can increase the sub level well above the mains but then the bass dominates, you will likely get good bass at lower levels but to get all the deep extension will require playing near reference levels.
     
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    Also, our ears hear different frequencies at different levels. At low volumes, we can't hear the lows or highs very well. At a certain level, things even out but low bass at those volumes will shake things that are not anchored down.

    Every once in a while, family will be over while I am working in the upstairs office. I've thought that a thunderstorm was coming when in fact it was a movie being played at a normal volume. I could only hear the extreme low frequencies and I could definitely feel it.
     
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    Booming really doesn't shake things, it's the extremely low frequencies that will excite things like walls, dishes, etc.

    On the positive side there are receivers that have a night mode of some type. It filters the low bass out so that it won't bother others nearby.
     
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    You should just invite the neighbours in and play at reference levels or near it, it makes all the difference to the movie, alternatively you can buy isolation platforms for subwoofers which can help with vibrations that might be felt next door, these platforms are fairly cheap, link below, i have my SVS on an isolation platform although it's home made, it had to be home made because i have one of the early massive ones and the platforms below are too small for it.

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=auralex+subdude
     
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    The "subdude" only helps if your sub cabinet is vibrating. A quality, single driver sub will have a heavy, well built cabinet and vibrations will be at a minimum. A dual, opposed driver cabinet like from Epik - http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/empire.html will completely elminate cabinet vibration. The only thing shaking will be because of the change in air pressure caused by the moving cones.
     
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    I feel the isolation platform i use for my SVS helps stop some of the vibrations when the real low frequencies hit and which can travel across a carpeted wooden floorboard, certainly going downstairs into the room below bears this out, i think SVS has a very well built cabinet, this is probably more to do with the fact i have carpeted wooden floorboards though, isolating the subwoofer from them improves the sound too.
     
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    SVS has a very well built cabinet but a single driver sub will always vibrate a cabinet. Remove the driver and try to hold it while it plays. It's like holding a jack hammer. Without something to counteract that motion (like an opposing driver) then it every cabinet will vibrate.
     
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    My sub has 2 12 inch drivers in it.
     

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