On second thought, Russell Crowe should have gotten that Oscar. Simply incredible!

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  1. Inspector Hammer!

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    After now having the great pleasure of finally seeing A Beautiful Mind, I have to say that Russell Crowe SHOULD have gotten it instead of Denzel Washington. Not saying that Denzel wasn't great, he was incredible in Training Day, but he can't even begin to touch what Russell Crowe did here. His performance as John Nash, the incredibly brilliant, but mentally disturbed mathematician knocked my socks off!
    Film after film, he's proving to be one of the great one's of our time, right along with Tom Hanks IMO.
    It almost seems as if the Academy frowns upon recreations of real people in films. Denzel Washington should have gotten his first Best Actor Oscar for Malcolm X but didn't. Jim Carrey should have gotten it for Man on the Moon but wasn't even nominated. Almost as if they have the attitude that all the actor is doing is impersonating another person so big deal they don't deserve it. That's just ridiculous if that's the case.
    About the film though, I found it very intriguing that this man was one of the most brilliant minds of all time and changed the way we percieve game theory and economics, but was also, as pointed out by Roger Ebert, a man who for a time could be seen walking the campus nervously smoking and muttering to himself. I found it rather inspiring that he was able to overcome his handicap by process of simple problem solving. He, along with his loving and supportive wife played by Oscar winner Jennifer Connelly, recocnized what was happening in his mind, and found a rather simple solution to it and was able to function academically once again. Reason, consequence, solution. Others with this illness unfortunatly are not so fortunate.
    Not saying that it was easy for him to overcome this illness, I can't even begin to grasp the nature or sevearity of what he went through for years. I'm simply saying that he took what he knew and understood as fact, that everything has a pattern, and consequently, a solution, and was able to apply it, and find his way back to sanity.
    In closing, I must say that I feel that Russell Crowe was so robbed of this Oscar. It's a real shame the the Academy failed to recognize a performance of this calibre. I mean if he didn't get it for THIS performance, he never will! [​IMG]
     
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    It was a figure of speech. I mean just how good does an actor's performance need to be before he/she get recognized for it by the Academy?
     
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    John,
    Those type of things have been happening for many years in the Academy going back to the beginning of the awards. Case in point, in 1967, a certain actor recognized at this year's awards starred in three films that year. He gave brillant performances in the lead role for all three of the 1967 released films, but you know what? He wasn't even nominated for any of those performances. Take a look at those three films.
    • In the Heat of the Night
    • Guess Who's Coming to Dinner
    • To Sir With Love
    Thus, the nature of the beast! Shit happens and the Academy keeps rolling along.
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    yep. But nevertheless, it never ceases to amaze me when a great performance like Russell Crowe's doesn't score Oscar gold.
     
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    I gave up on the Academy a long time ago! Tom Hanks should have won a third AA for "Saving Private Ryan", but that's just another example of spreading the wealth around.
     
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    In other words, the Academy doesn't know what the hell they're doing! [​IMG] I'm figuring that out one year at a time, give me a few more let downs like this one, and i'll probably be joining you in your opinion.
    And yes indeed, Tom should have won one for 'SPR'. I'm of the opinion that if Tom Hanks or anyone for that matter gives the best performance year after year, give him/her the Oscar as many times as he/she deserves to win it! Who cares if they've already won it twice, give it to them a third, forth, fifth, as many times as they deserve to have it!
    While we're on the subject, I find it absolutly stupifying that the Academy voters use vhs copies of the nominated films to view!?!? [​IMG] If your a member of the Academy, you should be REQUIRED to see the films in either a theater, or a private screening room!
     
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    Hmmm - after watching this last night for the first time - I don't understand why this movie won any awards period.

    The movie came off like one of those old disease of the week TV movies.
     
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    John, I could not agree with you more. Not only was Crowe robbed with A Beautiful Mind, he was also robbed with his performance in The Insider. When incuding The Gladiator, how many actors out there today could have performed this acting Trifecta in such a compelling way in three straight years? I also agree it has always been this way with the Academy. Paul Newman, Dustin Hoffman and Henry Fonda didn't necessarily win their Oscars for their best acting roles.
     
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    . I mean just how good does an actor's performance need to be before he/she get recognized for it by the Academy?

    You are suffering the delusion that the Oscars are actually decided based on one's skill and performance, when in reality they are a popularity/political award.
     
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    At least we all have to admit that these things are very subjective.

    Crowe's performance did not do it for me as much as it did for some others. He had his moments, but he played up the "I'm such a weird guy" angle a bit much throughout the movie. It was like Forrest Gump Does Calculus.

    Washington was good, but his role was arguable less demanding than Crowe's, so it's tough to compare. I do agree that Washington was brilliant in X, though.
     
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    THE ACCADEMY DOES NOT KNOW WHAT THE HELL THERE DOING... BECAUSE THEY DONT AGREE WITH ME.
    hahahahahahahahahhahahhahah ohhhhh hahahahah
     
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    I was also pissed that Crowe didn't win for what was easily the best performance of the year, and in my opinion, one of the best performances of ANY year. I really thought Denzel should have thanked Russell for winning last year. After all, that was the only reason Denzel was holding the Oscar this year.
     
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    He didn't win a decade ago for Malcolm X because Al Pacino deserved to win. Maybe not for Scent of a Woman, but definitely for The Godfather, The Godfather Part II, Serpico or Dog Day Afternoon, for which he was nominated, but didn't win.
     
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    quote...
    "...in reality they are popularity/political award."
    I'm starting to believe that too, and it really sucks. [​IMG]
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    "...these actors being robbed of an Oscar is almost becoming a weekly issue with you John."
    Pure nonsense!
    I havn't said anyone was robbed of an Oscar in at least a couple of weeks! [​IMG]
     
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    Ditto to what Seth just said, I think??????????[​IMG]
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    It really IS all subjective.

    I happen to be someone who was NOT impressed by Crowe's performance in ABM. I thought it was too much. I thought he acted the infirmity (with all his twitches and mumbling and baggy clothes) rather than digging deep and finding the character. I don't necessarily blame this all on Crowe...I think the script and Howard have a lot to do with it. But, I didn't even think the performance was worthy of a nom.

    However, I DID think he was robbed for "The Insider". That is a sublime performance that does the opposite of what I just described. Incredible.
     

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