I apologize for rehashing this subject once again in a third thread -- please let me begin with saying that; if moderators wish to erase the other two threads regarding this issue, please do so and I will attempt to explain what I have been trying to here in this new one.....again, my apologies. The reason for beginning this new thread on this subject is because I was beginning to lose focus and track of what I was getting replies on and the questions were not being answered as clearly as I thought they would be; and so, please bear with me here as I try to inquire of these issues because this is a major purchase for us financially right now, and it is important that I understand what I am purchasing..... Onkyo, for one, is claiming that beginning with their new TX-SR605, the receivers in their lineup will be able to process and decode all new high definition audio codecs, including Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS Master Audio, etc.....yet, I have been told by Jeff and others on here that the new high definition disc players (HD DVD/Blu ray) --- UNLESS I understood this wrong (and please tell me if I did) --- are NOT passing these high-definition soundtracks to these HDMI-compatible receivers in the same fashion that typical Dolby Digital/DTS DVD soundtracks are passed to a "typical" receiver via optical or coax and sent bitstream.....that the tracks are actually decoded at the player itself as uncompressed PCM and then sent over the HDMI cable to the receiver like the TX-SR605; and here, I am all confused.....first of all, why is Onkyo's website (as an example) stating that their new receivers DECODE these new formats in digital form when now I am being told that the soundtracks are actually NOT being sent in a straight, raw form in HDMI to these receivers but being sent through a PCM signal? What are we actually HEARING then on these HD discs when they're passed on to one of these new receivers then via HDMI.....are we HEARING the Dolby Digital Plus track or is it some kind of PCM-converted passthrough thats going to the receiver? This is just confusing the heck out of me; I want to buy one of these new receivers, but I was under the impression that I could simply connect a Blu ray player with an HDMI cable JUST as I connected DVD players over the years with a simple coax or optical line to one of these new receivers, which would in turn be decoded AT these new receivers automatically (like traditional receivers would do, decoding DD, DTS, etc)......in other words, I was hoping that I could simply hook the Blu ray player to the Onkyo TX-SR605, select the language choice from a Blu ray movie (like Dolby Digital Plus, etc.) and then the receiver would simply auto-detect the track and decode it via the one HDMI cable.....is this NOT the way these new receivers work? If not, what are we actually HEARING when the soundtracks are being passed to the receiver as uncompressed PCM, etc? Is it the REAL lossless DD+/DTS HD, etc. audio? I just am having a difficult time understanding what is going on here with these new receivers that claim they "decode" the new high definition audio formats -- yet I am being told that the audio tracks on the movie discs are not actually being PASSED that way.... And please tell me if I have this right: the connection from Blu ray player to receiver (a new one, like the Onkyo) would be HDMI out from the Blu ray player to the receiver's HDMI in.....and thats all that would be needed, right? Now, to pass high definition VIDEO to my TV, there would need to be a SECOND HDMI cable going from the receiver's HDMI out to the TV's in, yes? And then ALL HD audio and video would pass to the receiver AND TV? One more thing: when playing standard definition DVDs on one of these high def disc players and they're being upconverted, do their Dolby Digital and DTS audio tracks simply pass over the HDMI connection to these new receivers as well for decoding? If someone can please try to clear this up I would be greatly appreciative.....and again, please accept my apologies for trying again in a freshly-minted thread here. Thank you fellow Home Theater Forum Friends.