*** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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  1. Shawn_KE

    Shawn_KE Screenwriter

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    What would Yoda's Sith name be?

    Cause going by that Pepsi commercial, he is using the force for personal gain. Yoda is going down he path of the Darkside.
     
  2. Michael TLV

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    IF the Jedi council were around in Luke's time ... he would not have been able to save his friends or his father ...

    In TESB ... Yoda says that if Luke rushes off to rescue his friends ... he would destroy all they have fought for ... AKA ... let them die ... (Why does that sound familiar?)

    In ROTJ ... Luke must save his father ... strangely similar to Anakin must save Padme or Mother ... and Luke ignores all to that end. Anakin waits too long ... because the Jedi council keeps holding him back ...

    Vader saves Luke because he is finally in a position to save someone he loves ... something he couldn't do all those years ago.

    Wonderful how ROTS makes us look at the original trilogy in a different light.

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  4. Ricardo C

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    I think Owen and Beru don't know Anakin lived on and became Darth Vader. I've always assumed Obi-Wan told them that Anakin was killed in the war, and so Owen grows to hate the Jedi, since looking at it from his perspective, he had a step-brother he barely got to know because he was taken from his mother´s side when he was a boy, and thanks to his commitment to the Jedi, he was too late to save her when she needed him the most. Owen's fear for Luke is based on how the family he could have had was torn apart by their connection to the Jedi.
     
  5. Chuck Mayer

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    I'd assume Ricardo is 100% right. As far as the universe is concerned, Anakin is dead. Only Yoda and OW can confirm who Vader really is (and maybe R2). It's also possible Organa knows. I doubt OW shared that tidbit with Beru [​IMG]
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    If the universe thinks Anakin is dead, then the universe also has no idea that Anakin Skywalker ever turned against the Jedi.

    So Anakin Skywalker remains a hero in the annals of the Republic, albeit explaining how he died would be a bit difficult.
     
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    Matt that really sucks what happened to you.

    It also sucks, although to a lesser level that my hometown didn't have a midnight showing and I just got back from ROTS.

    I'm in the camp that won't vote until I've seen ROTS a time or 2 more. Tim is right, as of this moment there is just too much swurling around in my head and in my heart.

    I think Ricardo hit the nail on the head in his assessment of what Owen knew and thought and what he feared for his nephew.
     
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    Okay, I finally got the see the entire film. I'm not voting at this time either, though I'm leaning toward ESB as #1 and ROTS as #2.

    I remember people saying (myself included) that AOTC was drastically different than all other Star Wars films. I think Sith only continues this. It really is nothing like anything I've seen before. I think Lucas did an amazing job of arranging quiet personal moments amidst a background of CGI fueled chaos. It really creates a unique texture.
     
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  10. Tim Glover

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    Vader might appear more subdued because of the way OBW has aged since they met. Vader has obviously grown stronger with the Dark Side, more arrogant and confident. No one's heard a thing from OBW in years.
    I bought it before ROTS and still do. [​IMG]
     
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    I'll add that I also buy into Ricardo's interpreation of Owen's knowledge.
     
  12. Cees Alons

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    The force is strong enough in both of them to be able to communicate without saying a word.

    That scene seems stronger now to me, because it is more clear why Obi Wan accepts a duel he knows will cost him his life, and we have a better explanation of the way he ends it. Much more powerful now. If you take every word that's said to have a hidden meaning known to both of them (or transferred through the mind) the way we know now, you'll look quite differently at it.

    And perhaps Obi Wan is pulling another trick as well: distracting Vader's attention from sensing the presence of Luke, his son, and perhaps Leia.

    BTW, we must assume now that he knows who Leia is when he iterrogates her and later when she has to deal with the destruction of the planet. Her identity is in fact no secret at that point of the story.

    Cees
     
  13. Dan Keefe

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    Cees I don't think we have to assume that...I don't think Annikin knew Padme was having twins. Otherwise, it would make no sense that he didn't see her as a possible threat in ANH.

    The only thing I wish they would have shown was how Obi Wan communes with Qi-Gon...that would have been cool.
     
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    Dan,

    But she is 'the princess', isn't she? How would anyone know that if she isn't Padme's daughter, officially?

    Michael,

     
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    Could Senator Organa have become king/ruler of Alderaan? Just wondering. Maybe that is why Leia is called "Princess" in the OT. I don't know. Only a thought. I am sure that was never spelled out, but I guess it is possible. He was a senator, after all. Maybe he was elected king of Alderaan or something in the same way that Padme had been elected queen of Naboo.

    Edited because I can't type this morning
     
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    The novel refers to him as the consort of the Queen of Alderaan. So Leia being a princess has nothing to do with Padmé, whose Queen title was only temporary, while she ruled Naboo.
     
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    Cool. So her adopted mother was Queen. Awesome. I have not read the novel. Thanks!! [​IMG]
     
  18. Cees Alons

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    The novel has no authority to me next to the films.
    [​IMG]
    Cees
     
  19. Larry Sutliff

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  20. Dome Vongvises

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    Score: B+

    I'll write more later.
     
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