Inspector Hammer!
Senior HTF Member
I usually end up killing threads this old because nobody wants to talk about it anymore, but here goes.
For those that loved the film, I second every point made, terrific entertainment! Also, some of the more imaginative insights, like what Vincent did before going private etc, make the film the more deeper for me and i'll apply those ideals upon my next viewing.
One thing though regarding the whole business of Annie getting to the buliding early and screwing up Vincent's game plan, you have to remember that he couldn't have even known that she was one of his targets.
After Max gets rather ballsy and throws Vincent's work-up into the freeway (not smart, I half expected Vincent to cap him right their out of sheer anger and disbelief), he sends Max into the club to get the back-ups because he didn't know either the identity, location or both of his last two marks.
If Vincent knew right from the get go that Annie was one of his marks and knew where to find her, but didn't know the identity and/or location of his final one, he would have had Max drive him to her building, kill her, and THEN drive to the club to get the back-ups. Vincent would have reasoned "I'll go kill the one I DO know about and save the unknown one for last." I'm suprised nobody caught this, it was fairly obvious to me.
Also, I totally bought the fact that Max killed Vincent in a close quarters shoot-out because of some prevailing and unusual factors, remember that Vincent has been running around for at least 10 to 15 min with a bullet wound somewhere on his face (I think his ear as someone pointed out), and it's plausable that he was beginning to get disoriented by either exhaustion, pain but more likely both. Also, just as the final shots were fired, the lights in the train car flickered causing both men to lose focus on anything, they were firing blind and it just so happened it was Max who got the "lucky" hit.
As for the theory of connecting HEAT and this film...BRILLIANT!
It totally works! The events at the beginning of HEAT really COULD concievably begin the morning after the events in Collateral. I must watch these films back to back now, stopping Collateral just before the end credits and starting HEAT after the Warner Bros logo's.
For those that loved the film, I second every point made, terrific entertainment! Also, some of the more imaginative insights, like what Vincent did before going private etc, make the film the more deeper for me and i'll apply those ideals upon my next viewing.
One thing though regarding the whole business of Annie getting to the buliding early and screwing up Vincent's game plan, you have to remember that he couldn't have even known that she was one of his targets.
After Max gets rather ballsy and throws Vincent's work-up into the freeway (not smart, I half expected Vincent to cap him right their out of sheer anger and disbelief), he sends Max into the club to get the back-ups because he didn't know either the identity, location or both of his last two marks.
If Vincent knew right from the get go that Annie was one of his marks and knew where to find her, but didn't know the identity and/or location of his final one, he would have had Max drive him to her building, kill her, and THEN drive to the club to get the back-ups. Vincent would have reasoned "I'll go kill the one I DO know about and save the unknown one for last." I'm suprised nobody caught this, it was fairly obvious to me.
Also, I totally bought the fact that Max killed Vincent in a close quarters shoot-out because of some prevailing and unusual factors, remember that Vincent has been running around for at least 10 to 15 min with a bullet wound somewhere on his face (I think his ear as someone pointed out), and it's plausable that he was beginning to get disoriented by either exhaustion, pain but more likely both. Also, just as the final shots were fired, the lights in the train car flickered causing both men to lose focus on anything, they were firing blind and it just so happened it was Max who got the "lucky" hit.
As for the theory of connecting HEAT and this film...BRILLIANT!
It totally works! The events at the beginning of HEAT really COULD concievably begin the morning after the events in Collateral. I must watch these films back to back now, stopping Collateral just before the end credits and starting HEAT after the Warner Bros logo's.