Never doubt the power of a DSLR for movies again

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  1. ManW_TheUncool

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    Hmmm... Are you suggesting one can actually safely change the aperture (via the ring) on those old Nikkors while shooting video? That use hadn't occurred to me before since I didn't really/seriously look into shooting video w/ a DSLR (yet). I was only aware of the need for manual focusing -- and it's definitely (usually) nicer to MF using lenses originally designed for MF use (vs AF lenses w/ minimal MF capability, eg. quality operation/action of the focus ring).
    BTW, I did take a quick look into the F3HP while shopping for my kid's photog class. Seems nice, but looks like there are actually some things more desirable in the FM2n, if certain auto features are not needed. The used market for film cameras does seem kinda odd now(?) because of the niche that remains leftover, eg. photog class students, DSLR videographers (for manual lenses), etc. Your much loved F3HP doesn't seem to fetch any more than the FM2n -- it probably even fetches less at times depending on which actual FM2n (as there's one w/ the old Titanium honeycomb-patterned shutter blades and the newer, more common one w/ Aluminum blades as well as some special limited/collector's edition titanium-bodied one that probably still fetches serious $$$).
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  2. Sam Posten

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    Yep, my first SLR was a Titanium Body F3HP from the US Army. It was built like a tank and could be rolled over by one! It weighed a TON but was AWESOME.

    And yes, that's exactly what I mean about the aperture ring. On the new Nikon Movie Modes it likes to dynamically alter the aperture, unless you have a lens that locks it down like the classics do.

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    Originally Posted by Sam Posten /img/forum/go_quote.gif">

    Yep, my first SLR was a Titanium Body F3HP from the US Army. It was built like a tank and could be rolled over by one! It weighed a TON but was AWESOME.

    Ooooh... I bet you can fetch a pretty penny for such a titanium bodied F3HP considering what sellers are asking for a titanium FM2n on eBay (and probably elsewhere).

    Nice thing about the FM2n though is one can shoot it w/out any battery power w/ full functionality, except for the light meter (which of course requires some battery power). Still, if one is good at using the Sunny f/16 rule, etc. to guesstimate exposure (or simply has some other light meter handy), the FM2n will work perfectly fine w/out battery power. Plus it's light/compact and sturdy/reliable enough to serve as a nice (film-based) backup, especially in remote locations where (lack of) battery power can become an issue, not that I anticipate being in such situations myself...

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  4. Sam Posten

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    I sold the F3 in roughly 1995 for over double what I paid for it. We moved to the lighter but more full functioned Nikon 8008s which was my workhorse until I left that kit with my Mother and went to the Canon 20D. I only bought 3 lenses for the Canon, hoping Nikon would get their heads out of their digital butts. When they did so with the D3 and D300 announcement I swapped back and never looked back....
     
  5. Gregg Loewen

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    hi guys

    I have a BUNCH of Nikon AIS stuff
    and a Canon 5D with lenses that I would love to sell
     
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    Greg PM me about your AIS lenses! I'm pretty short on liquid cash right now but if theres some gems in there I might be tempted to sell a kidney or something! Ya never know.

    You are selling a 5D or a 5Dm2?
     
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    5D with 3 lenses...about 1000 pictures taken on it.
     
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    Gregg,

    What Nikon AIS lenses do you have for sale? And what condition are they in? I might be interested.

    Thanks.

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    Oooh, a bidding war! =p
     
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    Gregg,

    Which lenses do you have with the Canon 5D? Depending on lens and price, I may be interested.

    Full frame becomes more tempting...
     
  11. Gregg Loewen

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    hi guys

    My Nikon stuff:
    F3 with Drive
    FE2 with Drive
    Nikkor 24 2.8
    nikkor 35 2.8
    nikkor 50 1.4 x 2
    nikkor 105 2.5
    nikkor 135 2.8
    nikkor 200 4.0
    nikkor 35-70 3.5

    My Canon stuff:
    Canon 5D with battery grip
    24-105 lense
    70 -200 EF 1:4 with B and w filter
    EF extender 1.4x II I

    Canon backpack and a Lowepro gun holster / bag (for camera and 1 lense only)
    580 flash
    4 5d batteries in total

    Camera is absolutely mint, as is the 24-105 lense The 70-200 lense is
    almost mint but has some kind of "rubber residue" on the 2 rubber grips that leaves some of kind of whitish residue in the valleys of the rubber ridges.

    This package is as close as one can come to new.


    $3200 for the whole bundle ? Open to a reasonable offer.
     
  12. Sam Posten

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    I know i know, Ken Rockwell can be an idiot... But... Nobody has as good a set for short info briefs on these old lenses as he does.

    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/24f28.htm

    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/35mm-28-ai.htm

    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/50f14ai.htm

    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/105f25.htm

    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/135f28.htm

    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/200f4ai.htm AI
    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/200f4ais.htm AIS (I assume what you have is one of these two and not the Micro)

    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/35-70mm-35-ais.htm

    Of those Gregg the only ones I might be interested in are the 135 and the 200f4, but I need you to confirm they are the AI-S versions and not the older AI. Also if the 200 f4 is the Micro then I'm really interested, but I doubt thats what you have. If it is tho I call dibs!

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    Send you an email regarding interest in the 200, 135, 24 and 35 nikkors in that order. I've got that range covered already with other lenses but wouldnt mind having the primes for lightweight carry arounds or video options, but you'd probably find people willing to pay more than I would for them on Ebay... That Canon setup is a sweet kit but I'm not sure selling it all together is your best bet. I'd part it out at FredMiranda.com and probably come closer to what you are asking for it. If I was still Canon Centric it would be tempting as hell for me to buy your 70-200 and 24-105IS and sell the 5D and extras tho...
     
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    yup, all AIS stuff.
     
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    Haha... Sam already called dibs on any AIS micros (ie. what Nikon calls their macro lenses), but I would be interested in AIS micros as well, if that matters.

    Hmmm... Which 105mm f/2.5 is that? That could be a useful portrait lens, even if it's not a micro -- I'm not sure if there was ever any micro versions of the 105mm f/2.5.

    50mm f/1.4 on a FF body could be nice to go w/ the 105mm f/2.5, I like shooting street stuff w/ both FOVs (on a FF body) myself. Might be nice for the FM2n I bought for my kid (and my own occasional use) -- I don't forsee going FF digital anytime in the near future to make much use of them for digital purposes.

    Gregg,

    What would you be looking for the 24mm f/2.8, one 50mm f/1.4 and the 105mm f/2.5 either individually or together as a group?

    Are they all in excellent condition w/ no readily visible signs of issues in the glass itself, no particularly wornout or problematic mechanical parts/coupling areas/etc, no noticeable signs of worn out lens coating, no fungus or haze, no oil or such flowing onto the aperture blades, etc?

    A tiny bit of dust inside would be ok as that shouldn't impact anything (and is inevitable unless you live in a "bubble" or "clean room" or something ).

    Thanks...

    _Man_
     
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    Think greg rescinded the sale on the Nikon stuff, we convinced him to keep it for future Nikon DSLR use yay =p
     
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    And in this corner:
    http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2009/10/19/lights-out-camera-action/

    http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-10044-10310
     
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    Ground breaking, breathtaking photography PLUS an incredible tale:
    http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/12/12/the-tale-of-lucasfilm-skywalker-ranch-red-tails-star-wars-and-canon-dslrs/

    If it's good enough for George and Quentin, it's good enough for me =p
     
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    Awesomesauce:
    http://philipbloom.co.uk/2010/03/02/robert-rodriguez-shooting-music-video-on-2-canon-7ds/
     
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    Great stuff Sam. I'd be surprised if LucasFilm ended up actually using the cameras on the Red Tails pick-ups. They make great images and they were obviously impressed with the tech. You just can't tweak and push the colors much with h.264 so color grading and matching the Sony cam would be tough. I want the rig Rodriguez was using with the 7D.
     

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