Letter Box movies on Wise Screen TV question. (1 Viewer)

[Nick]

What is the aspect Ratio for Letter box movie to fit perfectly on Wise screen TV.
I saw them playing Epesode I on Wise screen TV at Tweeter but it still show black bar on top and bottom of the screen.
Thanks.

 

[Clinton McClure]

I'm gonna take a shot here and say about 1.85:1 will have minimal if any matte bars showing. I believe the Phantom Menace was 2.35:1.
Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
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[PhilipG]

Wise screen, eh? I like it!
I believe, with help from overscan, ratios between 1.66:1 and 1.85:1 will "fill" your screen. 1.77:1 for perfect fit, but it is unlikely you will notice any bars in the range above (and usually 1.77:1 is just for TV).
[Edited last by PhilipG on November 03, 2001 at 12:50 PM]

 

[Jeff Kleist]

Movies come in many different aspect ratios, 1.85:1 and 2.35:1 (which is what Episode 1 was shot in) are the most common. A wiDe screen television is 1.78:1, which is a good compromise between standard (1.33:1) and those 2 screen shapes
Jeff Kleist

 

[Patrick McCart]

All 1.78:1 transfers (anamorphic) will fit perfectly on your 16:9 display.
Ratios wider than 1.78:1 such as 1.85:1, 2.10:1, 2.20:1, 2.40:1, 2.55:1, and 2.76:1 will have larger borders.
In my opinion, wide TV's should have been 2.0:1. 1.78:1 is not much wider than 1.33:1 and only adds 33% more resolution. 2.55:1 would have been even BETTER, but that would be one wide TV....

 

[RobertR]

Better yet, I wish DVD had the ability to do a VARIABLE anamorphic squeeze. In other words, a 25% squeeze for 1.66, a 33% squeeze for 1.78 and 1.85 films, a 76% squeeze for 2.35 films and so on. That way, ALL films would make use of the full vertical resolution.
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[Adam Lenhardt]

I'm gonna take a shot here and say about 1.85:1 will have minimal if any matte bars showing. I believe the Phantom Menace was 2.35:1.

One thing I've realized when making screencaps for my website is that ALL DVDs (with rare exceptions) crop 1.85:1 films to 1.78:1 for DVD presentation.
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[Nick]

Well, went through my DVD collection. 90% of the movies I have are 2:35:1 ratio.
That sucks. Can't get away from that black bar.

 

[Scott_MacD]

That sucks. Can't get away from that black bar.

So what, dude.

You are seeing the full film frame and at a higher resolution than I am currently seeing. (I'm still a 4:3 TV philistine.)
You're perfectly correct, you will not get away from the black bars on 2.35:1 films, so you have a choice.
1) Alter the aspect ratio manually using the TV (boo, hiss)
2) Sell your 2.35:1 films and only buy 1.66:1 - 1.85:1 ratio films from now on. As long as this doesn't prevent me from watching OAR scope movies in the future, It's your choice.
3) Watch the movie with the lights off or get used to it.
4) Use mattes.?

 

[Matthew Chmiel]

2) Sell your 2.35:1 films and only buy 1.66:1 - 1.85:1 ratio films from now on. As long as this doesn't prevent me from watching OAR scope movies in the future, It's your choice.

No... if he buys 1.66:1, he'll have little black bars on the left and right side of his screen and he doesn't want that and if he buys 1.85:1, he'll be still seeing little black bars on the top and bottom of his screen. He'll need to start buying films in (and only in) 1.78:1 if he wants no black bars on his widescreen TV.
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[Inspector Hammer!]

Nick, Nick, Nicky, Nickmeister, PLEASE tell me you were kidding about 2.35:1 sucking, otherwise, i'll have to slam ya!

Here's what you do, make black mattes for your screen and attach them with velcro, when you watch a dvd at night with the light's off, all you'll see is an isolated 2.35:1 image. It really enhances night veiwing, trust me.
But I love your variation on the term Wide-screen, Wise-screen, that's great!
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[Scott_MacD]

Matthew : Accounting for a bit of overscan.. 1:66.1 to 1.85:1 films will fill almost all his screen. (but I'm sure you knew that..)
OAR, and only OAR for me! Regardless of black bars..

 

[Matthew Chmiel]

Matthew : Accounting for a bit of overscan.. 1:66.1 to 1.85:1 films will fill almost all his screen. (but I'm sure you knew that..)

Yeah I knew that, but it depends on how much overscan he has his television set for (or how much his television set it at depending on if he even played with the controls).
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[Steve Tannehill]

Don't make me open a can of whoop-ass.
- Steve

 

[Matthew Chmiel]

Don't make me open a can of whoop-ass.

Yeah, you don't want an OAR AVENGER kicking your ass.

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[Steve Tannehill]

I think we need to get out of THE PRICE IS RIGHT and continue our mission, Matthew.

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[Scott_MacD]

Yeah, you don't want an OAR AVENGER kicking your ass.

Heh, damn straight.

Anyone complains about black bars, you scratch their eyes out.

 

[Adam Lenhardt]

and if he buys 1.85:1, he'll be still seeing little black bars on the top and bottom of his screen

Like I said, most 1.85:1 films are cropped to 1.78:1. Except for the little overscan window box present on all DVDs, there should be no black bars of any sort.
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[Nick]

Don't get me wrong. I hate P&S. All my movies are in WS. That black bars don't bother me at all. It would look nice if every fill up the whole screen you know what I mean.
Guess you can't please everybody.

 

[Inspector Hammer!]

Nick, as I said above, give the mattes a try! A friend of mine has a 61" RP, and has made it a common practice to do this, and it's great! Thier's nothing like sitting in the dark, with nothing visible in the room except a big, glowing 2.35:1 image! I have a Sony VVega, and have to get the materials I need to make new ones, I had to throw my old mattes out when I got the VVega.
Give it a shot, it's a real solution to your problem, and you'll love the results.
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