Kickstart my heart <3

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  1. mattCR

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    I agree. I kind of wish in a lot of ways that backer rewards hadn't suddenly become "the item you're backing", rather a discount coupon or something to later buy the item, and they discouraged that direct give away.

    I backed the most recent Rifftrax attempt to get "Twilight" for the big screen; and flat out, that project WILL fail, there is almost no chance in hell they get Twilight rights, for any price. But I'm counting on the $250K going to a product I believe in, and they will find something worthwhile, etc. So I will be OK, but we're already getting emails from people complaining about not receiving their "item" etc.
     
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    I still don't understand Kickstarter. If its not a store, why does it list all the items I'm getting for my money? If its an investment, why don't I get a shares and a dividend from the companies that are built? If its a charity, shouldn't it simply ask for money and send me a tote bag and PAL radio for my trouble? If it's high-tech begging, why is celeb Kristin Bell there, asking for my help?I've seen some projects that interest me, but I haven't "bought" anything because I can't figure out what it is.
     
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    That's because it is something new. If you have to look at it through the glasses of what came before it you wil never understand.

    Bottom line: only support projects you believe in and want to see succeed. Don't count on rewards. Bet with your head, not over it. =)
     
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    Got it. It's gambling!;)
     
  6. Sam Posten

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    Yes all investments involve gambling and contain risk, by definition.

    Kickstarter is only one model btw, there are things like Kiva.org for helping 3rd world businesses form with micro loans and IndieGoGo which lets you fund ideas much more liberally than Ks does.
     
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    I've participated in a few kickstarters, and I have to say I largely agree with you. I tend to bite on more grass roots type projects.Bands trying to scrape up money to put out an album and tour, independent film makers, or new products that didn't get corporate funding elsewhere. I have a hard time kikcing into larger profile things like Kriten Bell's Veronica Mars thing, or when David Fincher was looking for cash to fund a Goon cartoon. If you're in the hollywood system or a legitimate recording artist, it still twangs a bit wrong to be going this route. I'm willing to bet that the Mars movie will flop and if Trent Reznor or Radiohead can go truley independent then I don;t see why Amanda Palmer needs some money on kickstarter.

    As far as the rewards go, I see it like getting a $15 DVD for a $100 pledge on PBS. The real reward is the final product that you're basically buying in advance to it being created.
     
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    Yup exactly. Put it this way (in bold):
    http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/04/the-next-big-thing-in-crowfdunding-kickstarting-people/
     
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    Not sure I like this trend of setting goals at the $2m plus zones for trendy actors with grandiose plans....

    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1869987317/wish-i-was-here-1

    I'd still back it if there were a digital download level for like $15. NONE of the levels give you a final copy of the movie tho? That seems dumb to me.
     
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    I'm looking for a partner to kickstart the vinyl versions of the Martyrs and Red Nights OST (+ downloads). I did put it up on a similar french site, but the backer who promised to buy half the pressing have withdrawn. I already have just over 40 buys from this earlier try. I need to reach 300.

    Since I'm in France, I can't use Kickstart but it is the better, more exposed platform. Anyone can help, PM me.
     
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    I'm not really in a position to help here but I'm curious: Is the pressing already done? If so what would be kickstarted?
     
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    Nope, we have the masters and sleeves ready, but we need at least 250 more pre-sales to fund it. Basically, the kickstart would be the number of people willing to pre-buy necessary to press it (it's a ltd edition of 500 copies).
     
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    OK, but that still seems antithetical to the idea of kickstarter. You don't really have any of the work left to do, you just need sales over a specific hump...
     
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    Hey HD, I would try "Indiegogo". I'm not sure if they are international, but they are more lax and better suited for what you are doing with looking for a completion thing to release the titles that are ready to go.

    Zach Braff is pulling a Veronica Mars to kickstart his Garden State follow up. I'll skip that one.
     
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    Agree with you x2 Russell. IGG is a better fit for HDV. And get hollywood away from KS! =)
     
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