Josie & Pussycats-PG VERSION announced-STUPID STUPID idea!!

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  1. JohnS

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    Ok,
    Universal just announced a 'PG' version of this movie.
    STUPID STUPID STUPID idea!
    What are we now CBS, NBC????
    Why release this?
    and who is going to watch a movie with all the bad stuff/swear words cut out???
    I hope they don't do this to any more movies
    Just for the record, I liked this movie, already have the movie, but just don't want this kind of practice seen!
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    Personally, I think it's an excellent idea, as it makes it alright for Grandma and the little uns (depending on your point of view - personally racist, homophobic and misogynistic terms of abuse are of an infinitely greater concern to me), and the original version is left intact.
    And, to me, all I care about is that the original version of the film, in it's correct aspect ratio (and language). Since we already have that, any other version released will only widen its appeal.
    If we already have multi-aspect-ratio releases, why not multi-rating?
    I didn't hear anyone scream blue murder when Dressed to Kill had the R-rated version put on the same disc as the unrated cut, despite the fact it is not De Palma's original version.
    The same with Robocop, American Pie, Road Trip and American Psycho. They all had R-rated versions out on DVD that were not the filmmakers original intentions, so the uncut and unrated versions were released alongside. with the offending material reinstated. So why the upset now?
    So why the problem when Josie and the Pussycats has its rating lowered in a separate release, with some profanity removed? You have the option of buying the original release, so get that one.
    There's nothing wrong with alternate versions - as long as the original is made available also.
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  3. Morgan Jolley

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    I also have and liked this movie and I agree that making a PG version would be stupid. The idea itself is stupid. Kids will hear dirty words and such eventually, so it is really such a big deal to pull all the "bad" stuff from Josie and The Pussycats? Has this film become public enemy number one?
     
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    Jon Rob,
    all I'm saying is that it's a stupid idea, that will create confusion. Just like seperate P&S/16x9 releases does sometimes. People won't pay attention and pick up the wrong one. [​IMG]
    Or people/studios will think it's a good idea to start puting out two different versions and flood the DVD market with unwanted junk.
    Why doesn't universal put all their hard work into creating Great special editions of their catalog films(ex. Anchor Bay, Fox)
    I just think it's a waste of time!!
    Plus I don't like censorship!
    Plus, its PG-13 for a reason, if they wanted it PG, they would have made it PG.
    If parents don't like the swears, then don't let your kids watch it, plain and simple!
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    Whine, Whine, Whine
     
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    All this is going to do is take the sign "joke" at the begining with Reid's character out, I'd guess...
     
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    As I read the announcement a few minutes ago on DVD File, I was at first a bit upset/outraged/insulted/etc. Like the guys being accused of "whining" (I disagree that they are, by the way).
    However, I thought about it, and decided it was okay. As long as the new version is clearly marked as a separate edition (perhaps a different look to the cover to emphasize this), then I have no qualms at all.
    Obviously, this film's subject matter has appeal to the under-13 young lady crowd. And we all realize that there's a big segment of the population who'd like to make their kids happy by buying this title, but would rather they didn't have the swear words and whatever else is considered inappropriate.
    This is no different that the Batman: Return of the Joker issue, except that the uncensored version was released first. If that happened, and then later WB announced an edited version, you can bet your boots that most of us wouldn't care, as long as we got our uncensored version.
    And, as someone else pointed out, it's no different than concurrent releases each in MAR and OAR, like SotL is and Wonka will be.
    Either way, people get choice. Choice is a good thing; it's why Eve bit the apple, isn't it? Forget I said that; I don't want to start a religious debate on top of everything else! [​IMG]
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    Stupid idea???
    Hmmmm, I guess no more stupid then ADDING more profanity, nudity and gore...step into the real world folks, their is an audience for this, probably no smaller than those of us who demand OAR, directors cuts, and so on!
    If you don't like it...well, you know the rest. [​IMG]
    Jim
    p.s. Besides, is anyone REALLY going to miss anything? [​IMG]
     
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    Originally posted by Morgan Jolley:
     
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    Filmmakers (artists) make choices, not the audience. If families want family films, they should find a filmmaker that made that choice. (And I DO get very upset with p&s being available in addition to OAR; there's no ethical difference between the various forms of alteration.)
    Roger Ebert has of course written on this topic, and feels "films are works of art, not commodities, and that every film should be presented as the director intended." It's not a trivial topic to be passed off as whining.
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    I don't care if Universal makes another edition. As long as my edition is INTACT and identical to the theater version. [​IMG] That is all that counts. Let Universal make muliple copies of whatever.
     
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    According to the MPAA's website, there's now a PG-13 version of Billy Elliott, so I guess we'll see an announcement for that before too long. Madness!
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    Jason: It's "trend pimp", if you're referring to the scene I think you are.
    As I mentioned in the previous thread on this topic, the MPAA gave the PG-13 rating for "language and mild sensuality". The PG rating for the director's cut mentions "language and sensuality". The only 'language' that might possibly be offensive are a couple of double entendres, which really aren't any worse than some shows I've seen on Saturday morning on the Fox Family Channel. [​IMG] The "sensuality" aspect seems kind of baseless. None of the outfits are that revealing, though maybe the top Josie's wearing after the Pretend To Be Nice video is a bit too transparent), and there's hot-and-heavy action of any sort.
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  19. Morgan Jolley

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    I'm 15, thats why I don't have any kids.
    The movie is not that bad. I could see them making some other movies into PG, but Josie and the Pussycats?
    I think that adding the removed footage is good because people get to see the complete versions of the films and not the somewhat stripped down versions. I think more is good, less is not. If you are going to watch the movie, why not watch it in its original form?
    As for pornography, showing it to kids wouldn't do anything wrong. It would just desensitize sex and nudity.
     
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    This is much ado about nothing.
    I couldn't really understand why the original version was PG-13 to begin with -- it's pretty light stuff.
    So what if they cut out 2 lines to attain a PG. It's a movie BASED ON A TV CARTOON SHOW (and comic book characters) for crying out loud!
    Are they depriving you of seeing the original PG-13 version? Are they withdrawing it so you can't see it again? Is the fact that there's a PG version available something that will cause you to lose sleep?
    They're offering families an ALTERNATIVE for a movie that's, pretty much, aimed towards younger viewers in the first place.
    (And incidentally, back in the '70s, movies were rated, re-cut, and re-rated all the time. Just look at SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER for one, which went from an R to a PG in one release. This isn't anything new)
    I just think there are bigger things to worry about in terms of censorship than this. And it IS a Director's Cut, meaning it was apparently done with the director's consent.
    (And my apologies to all those I have offended [​IMG]
    [Edited last by Andy Dursin on September 01, 2001 at 08:17 PM]
     

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