John Doe season finale...Holy Cow!! (MAJOR SPOILERS)..

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  1. todd s

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    Major Spoilers
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    Digger is the leader of the Phoenix group. Holy Crap! Now I always had thought their was more to Digger than what they showed. I had assumed he worked for the government. And possibly the Phoenix Group. But, to be their leader. Whoa! that took me by surprise. The only thing that was making me think about him. Is when he called the 2 cops to back him up on the mine raid. I wondered where Digger was. And Doe never mentioned why he wasn't there.

    This show BETTER be renewed for next season. I take comfort in the fact that it is the top rated show for it's time period in the big 18-34 age group.
     
  2. Patrick Sun

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    I've said from the beginning that you don't simply cast William Forsythe (Digger) in the buddy barkeep role, and as the season went on, Digger just had too many tricks up his sleeve not to be part of the mystery/conspiracy.
     
  3. Jeremiah

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    I agree Patrick, unfortunatly I was too surprised at the twist ending.
     
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    It would have been cheesy if there was a twin of Doe running the operation. But I half-expected it before Digger's face materialized.
     
  5. Andres Munoz

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    Wow, what a season finale. Doe discovers new abilities and Digger is the head of the Phoenix group!

    I was hoping the show would become John Doe and Digger together against the rest of the world, but like Patrick said, you don't cast Mr. Forsythe himself to just be a sidekick.

    This show better come back next season!!!!

    Has anybody heard anything about a renewal?
     
  6. Jeremiah

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    It seems that they have moved a little too fast with Digger and the Phoenix group plot b/c it is only the first season and Doe now knows his best friend is the leader of the group he has been trying to investigate. It better come back next season, or they didn't move the plot fast enough.
     
  7. Jon Torres

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    Very good episode. I didn't expect Digger at the end, but wondered where he was. Didn't you guys think it was strange how Doe went after Theresa, but wasn't followed by either the cops or any NSA agents? Also, did Digger move that cart thing with his mind? Hope the show gets another season.
     
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    Jon, Digger moved the cart with his mind. Also, I was wondering the same thing as Doe was going after Theresa.

    How did that one girl(the artist) that Doe liked die? Did it have something to do with the Phoenix or was it something different?
     
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    The Phoenix group kidnapped the girl, Karen, and when Doe and the police got too close, they killed her and left her for Doe to find. That episode was sort of touching in many ways. The bright future of a talented artist snuffed out so quickly without rhyme or reason (that we know of yet). That Digger was in on it really makes Karen's death even more sadder now.

    So Doe has telepathic and telekinetic powers. This would get interesting...
     
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    It was a great episode. The writing has definitely improved during the second half of the season, with way fewer plot contrivances than they used to depend on at the beginning of the season.

    I knew it was Digger at the end, but not because the episode was predictable. I actually thought Digger's revelation at the end was done pretty well. Instead, it was the episode previews (“You'll never believe who it is!” and “The ending is so unexpected it, will blow you away.”) that aired on FOX that ruined the surprise ending. Good grief, could they have been more blatant? (And they're doing the same thing with their 24 series previews! AAAHHHG!)

    I especially liked the scene where Doe interrogates Trenchcoat. Man, that was intense.

    “Now YOU have the opportunity to comply!”

    Very cool stuff.

    I'm hooked for the second season.
     
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    Good stuff.

    I thought the writers worked us into a situation where it would be a bit more believable for Digger to be "the man".

     
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    I think the whole John Doe mythology needs to be much better scripted if they expect this show to last a long time. Everything is a bit disjointed, a la X-Files, and needs more fluidity like Buffy.

    All in all, a good cliffhanger.

    Patrick: I too was expecting a JD twin at the end.
     
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    ...and I'm out. I never had much interest in the whole "mythology" aspect of the show anyway - the done-in-one episodes were my favorites - but this has just gotten almost as silly in one season as The X-Files did over the course of its run.

     
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    I also thought the "revealing" was a little too soon but woah did it flip me out. Here's hoping there is a season 2 but I have a bad feeling there won't be.
     
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    Or someone projected something to john making him think he saw digger. Wouldnt that be something :) Expecially since Digger and john the week before went to investigate diggers friends death. I thought during the episode watch it turn out to be johns british girlfriend. Hope its renewed

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    Yeah enjoyed that, kept checking the time because I kept thinking, they are packing so much in, it must be about to finish [​IMG] . since I hadn't seen any ads here I was quite surprised who the guy turned out to be.
     
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    I figured out it would be digger a little before it happened. Still a good episode and really sets up next season.

    The only danger is that it the big questions won't get answered like on X-Files. But we did have a few good years of entertainment.
     

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