JBL NSP-1 vs. NHT Superzero

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  1. RonGat

    RonGat Auditioning

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    Everyone,

    How are you all?? THis is my first post and I'm just getting into the swing of things (and spending lots of money on HT) with my first post. I've got the reciever (Onkyo 595) and the TV (32" Wega) and now I need speakers. I've narrowed down my choice to the JBL NSP-1 package with the Sony WMA-40 Sub (~$500 on line). At onecall.com they have five NHT superzeros with a RTS800 Sound Dynamics Sub for $490. This makes the price of the two packages almost equal. I've heard that the JBL package is a great "entry level" package but the NHT's are usually discussed as if they are in a different league as the JBLs (i.e. much better). I'm really interested in the differences between the small speakers (I will be upgrading the sub fairly soon). Anyway, should I go for the NSP-1 package or the superzeros?? I listen to 80% DVD, 20% music in a 10'x 14' room.

    --Ron
     
  2. Sean Conklin

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    I have experience with both speakers in question, and can definitely say the NSP-1 sounds much better than the superzero's. Now if you could move up to the superone's we may have a contest. The superzero's are too small to outperform the NSP-1. IMO

    The NSP-1 is more than an entry level speaker package, these speakers sound better than a lot of speakers costing 2 to 3 times more.

    According to Harmon Labs they compare to similar sized Paradigms (sic). I use N26's as mains and N24's as surrounds, N Center, and JBL PB-12, and after more than a year still have no desire to upgrade. I love the JBL sound for HT and music as well. I never did care for the sound of the superzero's, to me they sounded a little thin and weak.IMO

    And welcome to the HTF!
     
  3. ColinM

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    NHT's are accurate and have great midrange for music.

    JBL's are more efficient and dynamic.

    I like my NHT's, no real experience with the JBL's outside of Best Buy.

    I suggested 5 Zeros to Jim Carr as an upgrade from Polk's 6200 line and he is very happy, but think about what you like before you buy.

    Generally the guy with NHT's will listen to more music than the Guy with JBL's. That's a bit over-generalized, but you get the idea.

    Good Luck!

    - CM
     
  4. Phil Iturralde

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    I've never compared the two, but here is some selected quotes (vs. SuperZero XU) in Brent Butterworth JBL N24 speaker test report (before he joined Dolby Labs)
    April 11, 2000 - Brent Butterworth for etown N24 bookshelf
     
  5. ColinM

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    The N24 sounded a little bloated when I wall-mounted it in place of my Def Techs; the closer you place a speaker to the wall, the more the bass starts to boom. With bass-less minis like the ProMonitor 80 and the SuperZero XU, that's no problem at all.
    I hate it when people quote out of context.
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  6. Phil Iturralde

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    Hey ColinM - uh, sorry!!! Here's the entire paragraph
     
  7. Shane Martin

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    Doesn't sound like the reviewer spent much time reviewing the speakers.

    Any reviewer worth their salt spends atleast a few weeks to let the speaker break in and also reviews their speaker in their proper placement instead of some insane wall mounting.
     
  8. ColinM

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    Thanks Philly Dogg.
    I wonder why BB would leave a rag like Home Theater Mag to work at a website.
    hmmm....[​IMG]
     
  9. Phil Iturralde

    Phil Iturralde Screenwriter

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    FYI: Butterworth, Staats to Dolby As Directors of Tech Marketing
     
  10. ColinM

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    Cripes!
    Yipes!
    No offense!
    This dude just wanted to know the differences between 'x' and 'y'.
    I am not worthy. Your posts outnumber mine by 7:1. Obviously he should go with JBL.
    BB should get a house if he's gonna review speakers. How do you get to ref levels with finicky neighbors??
    [​IMG]
     
  11. Phil Iturralde

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    No offense taken ColinM!
     
  12. Jerry AZ

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    RonGat;
    I have that exact same setup. Sounds really nice. go for the JBL's. [​IMG]
     
  13. ColinM

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    Sorry about the sarcasm. I was having a bad day. Something about the boss not wanting me cruising threads at work or something, I dunno...
    If I had to do it all over again, I might try the JBL's, too. Actually I recommended them to a family member after they said they were looking for a setup.
    Take Care, Phil.
    PS - Wasn't BB in NY while he was with HTM? I think the mag has gone downhill a bit since he left. I liked his style. I think the 'tone' of his reviews have changed now that I read them, they sound a bit commercial.
    Anyway...[​IMG]
     
  14. ColinM

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    JBL's got some nice stuff.

    NHT has some nice stuff.

    KLH, now THERE's a joke....
     
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  16. ColinM

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    NHT and JBL have a lot in common -

    Used in the house, as stereo and HT.

    JBL has another side, the pro arena.

    I've never assembled a stack of NHT PA.

    JBL, on the other hand...Carbon fiber horn arrays...wow.

    JBL's are not junk, no matter what model. There's always something worse out there...much, much worse...
     
  17. Jack Gilvey

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    I've actually owned both setups. I use the NSP-1 now, but I used to have 3 SuperZeroes across the front and whatever their dipole surround was across the back. The NHT's are from memory, and it was a while ago.

    I don't feel that the N24's really give up much at all to the NHT's in the midrange, it's probably the most notable quality of the tiny JBLs. The highs of the NHT are more extended or prominent, some feel they're bright, which may or may not work better depending on taste and associated equipment. I prefer the more "polite" highs of the N24, especially with movies, and I've not felt compelled to use the "Re-EQ" function on my receiver.

    The N24 has better lows (80Hz isn't really what I'd call "bass"), but either will mate well with an 80Hz crossover, which is what's important (you wouldn't be using either without a sub, I wouldn't think).

    The SuperZeroes were an absolute revelation when first introduced (I bought my first pair in '93-94), but there's been some catching-up going on, and while they're different enough that most folks would have a preference, I certainly wouldn't say that the two are in different leagues.
     
  18. Jon_R

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    The home theater forum is a good source of data in some respects. HOWEVER, it is totally useless when your mind is anything but the accepted forum favorites. Those being, Denon, Paradigm, SVS, nOrh, and the blessed JBL. Obviously these are great products, but they are not the only products out there. B&W rarely gets much press, its usually the Paradigm Active line. Still, I like it around here.
    I have heard both. I prefer the NHT. If nothing else because they don't have a silly looking enlosure. I really find it hard to believe so many people just love these JBLs that much. I've heard them in numerous settings and have never been that impressed. Of course, one discredits my statements becasue those setups were not tweaked right or something.
    Still, if there is one thing in this world that is constant, it is Phil I's constant positive postings of the NSP-1 speaker package.
    I click every NSP-1 speaker question to see that all things are going smoothly and that Phil, (the poster formerly known as Philly Dogg) has pasted his 3 cents.
    Anyway, listen to them and see what you like. Hell maybe even check out other brands. From www.Yawaonline.com you can get some great deals on PSB Alpha A/V speakers. Of course, they are pounded by NSP-1 setup, everything is, but they might come close. [​IMG]
    Jon
     
  19. Jim Carr

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    As Colin stated... I upgraded from Polk speakers to NHT super zeroes all around and the diffeence is amazing. I have never heard the JBL's so I can't really comment on the difference but you can't go wrong with the NHT's. I got an incredibe price on mine used that made my decision a no brainer.
    But coupled with an SVS sub (the super zeroes MUST have dedicatd bass) I am very happy with my system.
    It looks like a win/win decision whatever you decide.. those are the easiest to make [​IMG]
    Jim
     
  20. Phil Iturralde

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    Jon_R please don't refer to me as "Philly Dogg". How would you like to be referred to "Jon(ny)_R Dogg??" Nice ring?? ColinM was nice enough to stop using that derogatory nickname. (IMO)
    Well, I too heard & auditioned the NHT, and after auditioning them, (because my older brother wanted to buy a set), and hearing the lower midrange vocals and colored highs (my opinion), it turned him off! The lower cost N24's proved it's design goals, and that "looking enclosure" is what contributed to it's excellent imaging ability - don't take my word for it since it is noted by different professional reviewers!!
    1) Brent Butterworth - for now defunct eTown
    2) Wayne Garcia - Amazon.com
    3) Tom Nousaine - Sound & Vision Magazine - JBL N24AW
    My recommendation for the consumers that want to get the best possible sound vs. price (budget), is to "add the JBL NSP1s to their audition list", because , the NSP1's delivers one of the best performance vs. price.
    Talking about B&W, if cost is not an issue, only the B&W DM602 S2 had a documented flatter and wider frequency response than the JBL N24s per Tom Nousaine Standard Speaker Benchmarks
    DM602 S2 front left/right.... 70 Hz to 20 kHz ±2.6 dB
    N-24 front left/right........ 89 Hz to 18.9 kHz ±2.7 dB
    though the surrounds were virtually identical:
    DM601 S2 surround............ 85 Hz to 17.2 kHz ±3.3 dB
    N-24 surround................ 89 Hz to 18.4 kHz ±3.2 dB
    So, I feel really, really great, that my $244.00 (approx. cost w/o powered sub - AudioSource SW15 $199.00 @ CostCo / Oct. '99) JBL NSP1's for the entire set and get great professional reviews along with documented performance like the one that Sound & Vision published!!! Yeah, I don't feel bad that I didn't spend over $1,000 to $1,500 on some HT speakers that may or may not deliver the performance & dynamic range that, . . . I am hearing, experiencing and using at the moment!
    By all means audition, audition, audition! But if your budget limits you to around $500.00, add the JBL NSP1's to your audition speakers list. Whatever you choose will hopefully be the right choice.
    I've owned my NSP1s since April 2000, and have not felt the need to get another set, . . . though Mark Knight (scroll down to his JBL S36's & S-Center Studio Series Speakers review) is trying to talk me into getting the JBL S-Series!
    Phil
     

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