To the usual suspects, (especially Jack Gilvey), please refrain from flaming, thank you. To those looking for a very high powered sub at an excellent price, Dr. Hsu has decided to extended the pre-order discount until the first Hsu VTF-3HO's actually start to ship. The potential for saving $250 (from a Forum advertiser) breaks out like this: '3 HO pre-order $799, after pre-order $899. Shipping pre-order ~$50, after pre-order $100. Turbo with pre-order $100, bought separately after pre-order, $200. To those of you contemplating this, please note that if you pre-order now, you will have 6 weeks or more to read the first reviews and make your final decision, as the first batch (or even first 2 batches) have been sold out. HSU will contact you when your order is ready to ship and you can decide at that time (after reading early reviews) whether to actually make the purchase. Little, if anything to lose. For an idea of how potent these subs will be, take a look at this: http://audioholics.com/ces/CESspeakers/HSUVTF3HO.php You have about 2 weeks more to pre-order.