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Peter Kline

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By The Associated Press

Look closely at the calendar Saturday. Then do it backward.

In either direction, it's still 2-02-02.

You're in the middle of a palindrome — a string of numbers, words or sentences that read the same backward or forward.

A palindrome year such as 2002 usually happens every 110 years, and Saturday's palindrome day is another rarity. Then Saturday night brings a palindrome in military time: 20:02, or 8:02 p.m.

That's reason enough for a palindrome party, says Mark Saltveit, editor of The Palindromist magazine.

To make the event more special, invite others who were around in 1991; having two palindrome years so close together is a thousand-year happening.

Saltveit suggested a palindromic party menu:

Ham — ah!

Salad, alas.

No lemons, no melon.

Naive Evian.

Yo, bro! Free beer for boy!

"After Y2K and the heavy events of 2001, people are looking for something a little silly to occupy their minds," Saltveit said from Portland, Ore., coincidentally returning a reporter's call at 1:31 p.m.

"Palindromes are as good as anything and better than most to take your mind off your troubles," he said.

Palindromes were originated by Sotades the Obscene, whose vulgar verses about a ruler of ancient Greece led to the poet's painful execution.

Officialdom apparently hasn't caught palindromania. There is no evidence of formal palindromania in the corridors of power — no pronouncements from White House or the United Nations, no congressional declarations or parliamentary citations.

Even in the southwest Missouri palindromic community of Ava, City Clerk Marilyn Alms hadn't pondered palindromes until a reporter called.

"I think our population is about 3,003, maybe that helps," she said.

Ava was named after a place in the Bible — "It's mentioned in II Kings, and II is a palindrome," Alms said — and it's Missouri's largest town with a palindromic name (the others are Otto and Reger).

Some palindromes make fine icebreakers: "Madam, I'm Adam."

Some are clever tributes, such as the late Leigh Mercer's tribute to Theodore Roosevelt: "A man, a plan, a canal: Panama!"

Other palindromes deliver tongue-twisting political sarcasm. Witness Saltveit's: "O naughty me, tut! It's Bush — substitute, myth, guano."

Palindromic tweaking is nonpartisan: "Flog sad loser Al. Gore, zero, glares, old as golf."

Some enthusiasts are into palindromic words and others specialize in numbers; it's permissible to play with spaces and punctuation. One of the most noted palindromists, Peter Hilton, possessed dual specialties. Hilton was an Allied genius who during World War II sorted numbers and letters that helped smash Nazi codes.

After working all night breaking codes in 1943, Hilton burst forth with this palindrome: "Doc, note. I dissent. A fast never prevents a fatness. I diet on cod."

For all the brainpower behind snappy palindromes, they aren't universally appreciated, as Sotades the Obscene found out the hard way in the third century B.C.

He mocked the marriage of King Ptolemy II to the king's sister, verses that were raunchy when read backward. For his witty word exercises, Sotades was ordered encased in a lead box and tossed into the Mediterranean.

"I suppose the king had no sense of humor," Saltveit said, "and for his art, Sotades suffered a fate something like concrete overshoes in an old Mafia movie."

Amen, icy cinema.
 

AjayM

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Look closely at the calendar Saturday. Then do it backward.

In either direction, it's still 2-02-02.

You're in the middle of a palindrome — a string of numbers, words or sentences that read the same backward or forward.

A palindrome year such as 2002 usually happens every 110 years.
Ummm, last year we had 01-01-01, next year we'll have 03-03-03, and so on for the next 12 years, never mind that 02-02-2002 ain't it either.

The true palindrome part of it (2002) is correct, another won't happen for another 110yrs (but 110yrs ago it was 1892), at least until the year 3102 (so it doesn't usually happen every 110 years).

Sounds like a slow news day to me.

Andrew
 

Jack Briggs

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I love it when Peter comes up with these little gems. And I've been wondering where our friend has been of late. Glad to see you, Mr. Kline.
 

Bruce Hedtke

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Ric,
Reminds me of that Carlson skit..."There's a magazine called WALKING!!!. Todays article...putting one foot, in front of the other!"
Bruce
 

Jude Faelnar

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The true palindrome part of it (2002) is correct, another won't happen for another 110yrs (but 110yrs ago it was 1892), at least until the year 3102 (so it doesn't usually happen every 110 years).
Ummm, I don't know but 9 out of 10 (110-year cycles) seems "usual" to me; i.e. After 2002, "every 110 years" would be:
1] 2112
2] 2222
3] 2332
4] 2442
5] 2552
6] 2662
7] 2772
8] 2882
9] 2992
10] 3102
It seems that palindrome years do NOT OCCUR EVERY 110 years, but I submit that it's "usual" for them to occur every 110 years.
:) :confused: :confused: :)
JUDE
EDITED: after more thought. :)
 

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Well cover a span of 5000+ years (0-5000bc) this phenomenon only happens a few times, not every 110 years. In fact you can go out a fair ways before it happens again.
5082
4972
4862
4752
4642
4532
4422
4312
4202
4092
3982
3872
3762
3652
3542
3432
3322
3212
3102
2992
2882
2772
2662
2552
2442
2332
2222
2112
2002
1892
1782
1672
1562
1452
1342
1232
1122
1012
902
792
682
572
462
352
242
132
22
Now if you reset the 110 yr rule at your last x99x year and then add 11 you will run into this occurance again. Example;
2992
3003
3113, etc
3993
4004
4114, etc
But that's getting kind of complicated now.
Andrew
(edited way to many times due to a bunch of lame excuses) :)
 

Tiffany A

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Ajay...what happened to the Original 02/02/02? Whay did you start at 22? I am curious and I am sure that you have a sound mathematical answer. (Want to help me with my Quantum Physics Homework? :) )
 

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Ajay...what happened to the Original 02/02/02? Whay did you start at 22? I am curious and I am sure that you have a sound mathematical answer. (Want to help me with my Quantum Physics Homework?
Ummm, errrr....well, uh, errrr...yea a good sound mathmatical answer...ummm, that's it's almost 1am here :b
Oh and then that will follow the 1yr rule for 12yrs as well (03/03/03, 04/04/04, etc).
And as to relate to the original post piece of
You're in the middle of a palindrome — a string of numbers, words or sentences that read the same backward or forward.
02-02-02 is not the same backwards, 20-20-20....ya know, just to nitpick :)
Andrew
 

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"Able was I ere I saw Elba"

"Xanax" is a palindrome because if you take too much, you won't know if you're coming or going.

On a tangential topic, I still remember the night of May 5, 1978. A DJ on the radio pointed out that shortly after midnight, it would be 12:34 5/6/78. I had a feeling that something strange would happen that night. Self-fulfilling prophecy or no, after the bar closed I found myself chasing down a hit-and-run driver for a license plate number, then a bunch of people ended up at my house for a very freaky party.:b
 

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To build on what Glenn said:

As the clock ticks over from 8:01PM today, Wednesday, February 20th, 2002, time will (for sixty seconds only) read in perfect symmetry. To be more precise: 20:02, 20/02, 2002. It is an event which has only ever happened once before, and is something which will never be repeated. The last occasion that time read in such a symmetrical pattern was long before the days of the digital watch (or the 24-hour clock): 10:01AM, on January 10, 1001.

(And weren't we at that point plunged into the Dark Ages?)

Because the clock only goes up to 23.59, it is something that will never happen again.
 

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From Snopes.com:
Claim: The last possible symmetrical year/date/time combination will occur on 20 February 2002.
Status: False.
Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2002]
Believe it or not, but 8.02 PM on February 20 this year will be an historic moment in time. It will not be marked by the chiming of any clocks or the ringing of bells, but at that precise time, on that specific date, something will happen which has not occurred for 1,001 years and will never happen again.
As the clock ticks over from 8.01 PM on Wednesday, February 20, time will, for sixty seconds only, read in perfect symmetry 2002, 2002, 2002, or to be more precise: 20:02, 20/02, 2002.
This historic event will never have the same poignancy as the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month which marks Armistice Day, but it is an event which has only ever happened once before, and is something which will never be repeated.
The last occasion that time read in such a symmetrical pattern was long before the days of the digital watch and the 24-hour clock -- at 10.01 am on January 10, 1001.
And because the clock only goes up to 23.59, it is something that will never happen again.
Origins: Fans of symmetry and the Gregorian calendar may have something to celebrate on 20 February 2002, but the event won't be quite as unique as this e-mail makes out, nor will it be something that "never happens again."
If 10:01 AM on 10 January 1001 was a "symmetrical pattern" (10:01, 10/01, 1001), then 11:11 AM on 11 November 1111 was symmetrical as well (11:11, 11/11, 1111). Both these dates, of course, occurred when the Julian calendar was the standard of the western world, well before the adoption of the current Gregorian calendar.
Additionally, if 8:02 PM (or 20:02 in 24-hour time) 20 February 2002 is a "symmetrical pattern" (20:02, 20/ 02, 2002), then 9:12 PM (or 21:12 in 24-hour time) on 21 December 2112 will also be a symmetrical occurrence (21:12, 21/12, 2112).
The limiting factor here is not our clock (as claimed in the final sentence above), but the fact that our calendar has but twelve months. Because of that, the highest symmetrical entry of this type that can be formed under our system of reckoning dates and times is 2112, and thus the final symmetry will occur 110 years from now.
Last updated: 19 February 2002
The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/trivia/symmetry.htm
 

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