Is the World Series fixed? (1 Viewer)

[Bhagi Katbamna]

As for the WS being fixed? Nah. The NBA draft (1985-Patrick Ewing to NY, nuff said) and playoffs (in the last 15 years a team from one of the 4 largest cities in the country has one the title) are fixed.

What does this mean? Every frikken NBA team makes the play-offs.

 

[Frank_W]

Gee, could it actually be that Joe Garagiola Jr. and Jerry Colangelo have simply assembled a bunch of outcasts and thought to be "has beens", who care more about winning than personal acclaim or stats?

Well, they overlooked a bullpen and defense.

 

[Bruce Hedtke]

I was waiting for this thread

So was I. As soon as the second two run homer went to tie the game in the ninth, I knew people were gonna jump all over this bandwagon. The beauty of baseball is that it isn't regulated by a clock. Even trailing by ten runs, with two outs and two strikes against a guy, he could turn the next pitch inside out, the next batter could homer, the next three could double...in other words, you never know when a rally can or will occur. It isn't staged, folks. Kim wasn't out there throwing grapefruits. Real baseball fans know that anything can happen at any time. Tired of seeing the Yankees win? Too bad. But, don't try to cheapen a magical moment in baseball with such silly arguments.
Bruce
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[Mark Kalzer]

I think we can all agree on one thing at least, (except for you Yankee's fans!

) this championship streak of the Yankee's is simply ruining baseball. Sure attendence is sky-high in New York, but has anyone looked at the attendence for all of the other cities? You could count the number of teams that have had sellouts all on one hand. Even the Toronto Blue Jays, who broke the 4 million mark in 1991, are having a continually declining attendence, with it rarely going over 20,000 a game this year.
Quite frankly, fans are sick and tired of constantly seeing the Yankees win. It's not exciting at all to watch this year in and year out, when the outcome's always the exact same. How can anyone root for their home team, when it's becoming obvious they don't stand a chance? Also, factor in the fact that so many players are abandoning fans all over the place, claiming that "The contract wasn't good enough." The hard-working Americans (and Canadians) who can hardly afford to send their kids to college don't want to hear players reject them because they're "barely making $2 million a year".
As much fun as Yankees fans may be having, they should stop and realize that baseball is in serious trouble. Egotistical players too, should realize that the more money they make, the more disconnected the fans are getting from them.

 

[Frank_W]

quote: . Sure attendence is sky-high in New York, but has anyone looked at the attendence for all of the other cities? [/quote]
Yeah - it's a shame - you can get any seat you want
at a Cubs game because they never win!

How about the fact that the Diamondbacks cannot even
sell out their own stadium for the playoffs?
And they are one of the cheapest tickets in baseball.
If the Yankees are ruining baseball because they are
winning, then baseball was ruined after the '50s.

Quite frankly, fans are sick and tired of constantly seeing the Yankees win. It's not exciting at all to watch this year in and year out, when the outcome's always the exact same. How can anyone root for their home team, when it's becoming obvious they don't stand a chance?

And that's what they said about the Bulls, Celtics,
Canadians, Bruins, and maybe now the Lakers too!
Did anyone forget that the Yankees sucked in the late
'80s and early '90s?
[Edited last by Frank_W on November 02, 2001 at 07:26 PM]

 

[Seth Paxton]

Yeah, remember how good attendence was after 1994.
Hmmm, attendence damaging event, lets see.
Strike and no World Series or Yankees winning.
What an idiot I am, how could I not see that it's the Yanks winning. Luckily MLB got the Big Red Machine broken up just before the sport went into the toilet.
Also, it's sure a good thing Stern got Jordan to retire (twice) because all those Bulls wins were killing the NBA popularity...
Come on, can't we at least go on FACTS rather than emotion.
As said above, during the "golden era" that everyone refers to NYC dominated baseball, not just the Yanks, but Dodgers and Giants too. What is different today is that the NFL and NBA are hugely popular now. How popular were either of those leagues in 1950 (hell, how big was the NBA in the early 80's with the Finals on tape delay).
How quickly people forget things, which makes it so easy to make the latest conspiracy or "death of the sport" fit.
Baseball had big money teams, strikes, and dominating teams 100 years ago. The "juiced ball"??? Ask Ty Cobb who said that the juiced ball of the Ruth era would ruin the sport as well.
To quote the Talking Heads..."Same as it ever was"
Fisk HR - fixed
Bob Gibson's K's - fixed
Kirk Gibson HR - fixed
Buckner - fixed (just ask him how well it worked out for him, throwing the WS)
Jackson 3 HRs on 3 swings - fixed
Jack Morris winning in 10 innings - fixed
Puckett at the wall - fixed
J... C..., can't we just appreciate the great moments in sports anymore, especially in baseball where the umps still have the least effect.
BTW, calls off the plate happen for ALL pitchers against ALL teams. I've seen plenty in this WS against the Yanks. So freakin what, it's part of the game.

 

[John Besse]

If you consider buying the World Series every year fixed, I'd have to say yes.
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[RicP]

If you consider buying the World Series every year fixed, I'd have to say yes.

And yet the ignorance continues...

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[Ricky Hustle]

laugh:

Yeah, it's "fixed".
I just have to laugh, sorry. What a bunch of sore losers.
The Yanks are just lucky, it's not that it's fixed.
No, wait, they are using corked bats! That's the ticket!
Go Yanks, that's what I have to say, even though I am a Met fan. The Mets had the highest payroll in the early 90's. Where did it get them, huh?
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[Jack Briggs]

Is the World Series fixed? Well, it was in 1919.
Is it now? Hardly. Simply because the Yanks have recaptured their glory and are continuing the legacy of Ruth/Gehrig/DiMaggio/Mantle/Berra/Ford/Munson/Jackson/etc.
Derek Jeter is a Hall of Famer in the making.
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[Clinton McClure]

The secret is in the pinstripes.

I heard one of the tv announcers say earlier this season that Zimmer likes the pinstripes because they make him look thinner.

In all seriousness, though, I am an A's fan from waaaaaaay back and I hated to see them blow their chances just like the D'backs are doing. In all honesty, the D'backs should have won the series already. But, they have several disadvantages on their side: a rookie manager (he's learning, though, and I see him becoming a strong manager in the future), a closing pitcher (Kim) who is as bad for them as Stanton was for Atlanta (all-time game-blower), and a catcher who can catch some days and cannot find his ass with both hands other days.
I may have been a bit eager to see Arizona win this year, hence I predicted they would sweep the series in 4. After watching the bad decisions and bad defensive plays they've made so far, it looks like the Yanks will take it again. However, I think Arizona will use these errors as learning tools and we may see the D'backs give it a good run again next season.
On a different note: How many folks think the Yanks will try to pick up Giambi and Bonds next year?
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[Edited last by Clinton on November 03, 2001 at 03:06 PM]

 

[Ted Todorov]

On a different note: How many folks think the Yanks will try to pick up Giambi and Bonds next year?

Bonds, yes! At any rate they badly need outfielders -- O'Neill & Justice are history as is likely Knoblauch. That leaves them with only Williams and Spencer. They need at least two more.
On the other hand they should re-sign Tino Martinez. Watching Giambi "run" the bases is painful, the Yanks win because they have all around players -- O'Neill is still stealing bases in spite of his age and injuries. Giambi is painfully out of shape -- not only can't he run, but I'll bet he'll be injury prone. Keep Tino, get some outfielders.
Ted

 

[Seth Paxton]

I predict that NEITHER Bonds nor Giambi will be with the Yanks next year. Giambi is going back with the A's because they are the team on pace to win the next 3 in a row, not the Yanks.
The Yanks have luck, but also experience and simply a presence. I don't mean that "pistripes" thing, although maybe that helps.
What I mean is that it's very little coincidence to me that when you added Jeter, Rivera, and Tino to Pauly, Bernie and Pettite, the team suddenly got great. All of those guys carry themselves like they know the are going to win and are part of the team. Pauly is the only one who normally shows emotion.
Other examples, think of Pete Rose. You played beside him Morgan and Bench, how could you not think you were going to win. How about Ripken or Brett. Now imagine a team with several of those guys at once.
Even in this series, they aren't stuffing the stats. They are just winning. Haven't any of you guys ever played in a softball league or coached little league or played college ball perhaps? There are just some guys who seem to always make their team win, while others put up numbers but come up short. I don't know what it is, but it's more than just staying calm, it's a presence of destiny or something, and it's tough to overcome.
Hey, I've seen little league kids with it. Kids that you just knew were going to make the play when it mattered and did. And I've seen the stud players who somehow fall apart at the worst time. If I knew the secret to it, I'd be in Williamsport every year.
BTW, baseball geniuses, why is it that the 3 big FA offensive players are sitting at home right now...Manny, Alex, and Juan. All put up the numbers, all were on big payroll teams, 2 didn't even make the post season.
Also, did you notice that the one big money guy in the WS was MORE in his PRIME 2 or 3 years ago when the ORIOLES had one of the top 3 payrolls in the league. By your logic, the Orioles should have WON the WS instead of being one of the WORST teams in baseball, right next to the high payroll Dodgers, in fact, just 2 years ago (When Kevin Brown's signing ensured their WS rings, remember).
Again, if you ignore ALL OTHER FACTS then, yes, you are right. 2 + 2 does equal 3 (if you ignore a 1).
The truth is that money HELPS, but most certainly does not guarantee jack squat, not even a decent record.
The reason Yankee money has worked out so well is because of who they spent it on...their own guys, keeping most of the farm together and going for role players. I'm sure no one believes it, but I think Welles could have had a Clemens year if he had still been in NYC. He certainly showed that to be true when he outperformed Clemens the first year after the trade.
So don't come crying to me about the big money. Go pull an Orioles or Rangers and put together a team of Clemens, ARod, Knobby, Manny, and Mussina and get back to me when you go under. You need those core guys, the ones that won in 96. They are the common piece in all these seasons, not Clemens, Knobby, Justice (yeah, he's the reason they are winning), or Mussina.
And now you are telling me that keeping your own guys together is a BAD thing, but out of the other side of your mouth you lament that the Expos couldn't keep their guys, or the Marlins couldn't keep theirs.
PICK A FREAKIN SIDE ALREADY. Do you WANT the owner to be able to keep Jeter, Tino, Pauly, Bernie, Rivera, Pettite, Soriano, Jorge / Hudson, Zito, Giambi, etc or not.
I vote teams should stay together unless someone wants to make a straight up trade. Welles for Clemens, for example.
Sheesh, if it was so easy to predict based on big money, then how come almost every preseason predictor didn't guess the WS finalist...should I even mention the M's.
Finally, did you ever wonder if MAYBE, just maybe, Phil Jackson and Joe Torre have something to do with it after all? After all, the money was there before they arrived, yet the championships didn't roll into town until they did. (PS, I hate the Lakers and Phil, but come on, facts are facts)
[Edited last by Seth Paxton on November 03, 2001 at 06:40 PM]

 

[Ashley Seymour]

Top of the 4th inning Arizona 12 New York 0
How the hell has this Series gone six games?

 

[Joseph DeMartino]

Obviously the series is fixed. Do you think the Diamondbacks legitimately scored 15 runs on the Yankees? Don't be a fool! This is a set-up for the dramatic Game 7, bottom of the ninth tie, win-in-extra-innings-on-the-road when two-outs down nail-biter we'll be watching tomorrow night.
I'm not sure who is supposed to hit the winning home run tomorrow. Maybe Paulie. (I left my copy of the script at the office.)
Regards,
Joe

 

[Tom Rags]

Mark S. said:
Naw, it ain't fixed, although that pitch to Ripken in the All star game was a fix. Of course, he still had to have the skill to hit it out.
Umm, puh-leeze.

That is just ridiculous. (sarcasm) Boy, Chan Ho-Park sure did want to groove one and get the loss in the first appearance by a Korean in an All-Star game that was being broadcast back home in Korea to family friends and countrymen... (/sarcasm)
Sometimes I wonder if when people like this take a dump, their heads cave in. No offense, but that is so stupid.

 

[Adam Barratt]

I don't know about or follow baseball, so you'll have to forgive my ignorance, but why exactly is it called the 'World' Series? Who plays in it outside North America?
Adam

 

[Joel Mack]

Conceit, mostly, but one could argue that with players from all over the World participating in the Series, that the name is appropriate...
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[Mitty]

The World Series is called such because when it was conceived as a series to be played between the champions of the American and National leagues, the series was sponsored by the now defunct newspaper The New York World.
Nothing sinister, nor conceited.

 

[Ricky Hustle]

Congrats to the Diamondbacks! A great team no doubt. What a series. I guess it was fixed in favor the Arizona.

Also, the Yanks played like champs. I'm proud of 'em!
[Edited last by Rick Gregorio on November 05, 2001 at 10:09 AM]