i have never seen anyone here in the forums recommend denon receivers for music listening. i either see people list hk 525 or the pioneer elite tx45, so of course i began reading about hk and was happy, and very sure of getting the 525 from good feedback. but now i question the opinions i read here, im wondering if theres an actual bias since most people that post hear own hk and pioneer receviers, and not as many own denon. could this possibly be the reason why hk is often recommended for music? heres why i began to question the opinion of some of the recomendations. high current/clean power, weight of amps aside, lets forget about all that, forget the specs and actually listen to the detail and sound reproduction of the amplifier/receiver... i have gotten 3 opinions from 3 music experts that ive come across. and oddly enough out of all three opinions i was told that denon is superior in replaying music over harmon kardon and far superior over what pioneer has to offer. all three have told me that it replicates the sounds in music thats most true to real life music. who did i ask? all three were/are music majors. i purposely questioned people that had direct professional experience in music. the first was a singer, whos a music major, a pianist and has professionally sung in recordings for years, and currently sings with his college choir, hes even performed with the phil harmonic before, and i seriously trust his judgement in how music should sound since hes been doing it for years, and he recommends denon to me right off the bat. after listeng to to yamaha, hk-325,525 and pioneer elite 45 the second person was a sound engineer, a pianist, singer and works in audio studios, his recommendation? denon.. he told me that it had detail that hk receivers didnt have, i still had a difficult time swallowing this since so many praise the hk 525 online. the 3rd person, was a worker at my local ht shop, a jazz musician, and another music major, and even though i didnt know him till today, i do know he knows exactly what hes talking about regarding musicality and having a somewhat lengthy discussion with him about overtones in music and such. he told me pioneer wasnt that great for music "even the elite 45" and that hk was about clean power, but didnt create as much detail in music as the denon does... this was exactly what the previous person told me.. that was enough to convince me, 3 music majors all telling me denon was the musical receiver of choice out of hk pioneer denon and any receiver in its price range. so my question is, rather then just making an assumption about hk being the best musical receiver, how many making the recommendations have history in music, and how many have audtioned only the one unit that was purchased? if you have auditioned multiple units, how did you come about your final decision? this is mainly targeting those that use their home theater set up majorally for music listening yet use it for movies to a much lesser extent. i have a theory that a lot of votes are for hk and pioneer because they seem to have the largest consumer base. if anyone can provide me a direct answer as to why denon is not a superior choice for musical receivers please give me an answer, if you have extensive background with music that would be even better the reasoning behind this thread is to give a different point of view, i was sincerely going to get the hk 525, but now i will be getting the denon 2803 since i listen to 90 percent pusic and 10 percent movies. edited as of 5/15/03 i have purposely altered the original thread, i apologize to those who found the original thread as an insult, in no way did i mean to imply any particular persons advice any less worth then the next person and it was not its original intent. In hindsight I regret not posting in a less abrasive manner, so I've edited the post to avoid any more future arguments, once again i apologize.