Cooper_B
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I know there are plenty of stereophonic lovers out there. Stereophile Magazine got me into this audio hobby, because my first priority is good 2-channel music with emotional clarity and some bass impact when called for.
I will eventually go home theater, but I refuse to make this "upgrade" unless I can preserve the fragile balance of my current system with CD playing. That means I am looking for a receiver that, first and foremost, offers analog bypass and simultaneous subwoofer output. Too bad this isn't as easy as I hoped.
I have a Harman Kardon 3470 stereo receiver, hooked up to a pair of Paradigm Mini Monitors, a Yamaha CDC-775 CD player, and a Velodyne CT-120 sub. The all-analog 3470 has stereo subwoofer preouts, which apparently means that it splits the source signal and sends a full-range to the amp and an analog low-pass filtered signal to the sub (somewhere high, like 120Hz maybe). That's fine, because without high-pass filtering my speakers, I get an excellent blend with the sub's filter set around 70Hz.
So I'm trying to make a list of inexpensive surround receivers that have an analog bypass with subwoofer output, along with preouts (so I can use my 3470 as an amp for the front 2 channels). Oh, and I may end up getting the Paradigm X-30 crossover and route all bass through that. Here's what I have so far:
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* Denon 2802 - preouts, analog bypass w/sub out
Yamaha RX-V630 - preouts, analog bypass??
Marantz SR4200 - preouts, analog bypass with NO sub out
Onkyo TX-SR700 - preouts, analog bypass with NO sub out
Sony STR-DA2ES - preouts, analog bypass with ? sub out
Harman Kardon AVR320 - preouts, no analog bypass
Outlaw 1050 - preouts, no analog bypass?
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So the only unit that I KNOW does analog bypass AND a subwoofer out (by splitting the analog signal, DSP'ing 1 signal to go to a digital low-pass filter for the sub) is the Denon. I also would like 6-channel decoding, an 80Hz digital crossover for movies, component video switching, and a convenient way to switch between analog bypass and the other modes. This will probably mean a memory for different speaker setups depending on the current source, like the Denon has. Why should my life get more difficult when I just want to switch between DVD and CD?
The Yamaha unit looks close, as I've seen their tech support claim that Effect Off mode uses an analog bypass. However, some people believe otherwise. When I played with a Yamaha RX-V595a, Effect Off still clearly used a high-pass filter on the mains when they were set to "small", in addition to maintaining subwoofer output. That means either:
a) An analog high-pass filter (unlikely)
b) No analog bypass occurs
c) Analog bypass only occurs with Mains set to Large, in which case I don't know if the sub still works
Oh, and I say the AVR320 does not have analog bypass because I asked their email support (also posted in the AVR320 thread):
"The AVR320 does not have the analog bypass feature found in the AVR125 and AVR225. The AVR320 will process all audio through its DSP, with the exception of 6/8channel direct inputs which do not apply any bass management settings. I hope this helps."
I've spent quite awhile doing this research, but I would really appreciate it if some of you could fill in the holes and correct me where I'm wrong. And this forum is really an amazing resource, by the way!
-Cooper B
I will eventually go home theater, but I refuse to make this "upgrade" unless I can preserve the fragile balance of my current system with CD playing. That means I am looking for a receiver that, first and foremost, offers analog bypass and simultaneous subwoofer output. Too bad this isn't as easy as I hoped.
I have a Harman Kardon 3470 stereo receiver, hooked up to a pair of Paradigm Mini Monitors, a Yamaha CDC-775 CD player, and a Velodyne CT-120 sub. The all-analog 3470 has stereo subwoofer preouts, which apparently means that it splits the source signal and sends a full-range to the amp and an analog low-pass filtered signal to the sub (somewhere high, like 120Hz maybe). That's fine, because without high-pass filtering my speakers, I get an excellent blend with the sub's filter set around 70Hz.
So I'm trying to make a list of inexpensive surround receivers that have an analog bypass with subwoofer output, along with preouts (so I can use my 3470 as an amp for the front 2 channels). Oh, and I may end up getting the Paradigm X-30 crossover and route all bass through that. Here's what I have so far:
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* Denon 2802 - preouts, analog bypass w/sub out
Yamaha RX-V630 - preouts, analog bypass??
Marantz SR4200 - preouts, analog bypass with NO sub out
Onkyo TX-SR700 - preouts, analog bypass with NO sub out
Sony STR-DA2ES - preouts, analog bypass with ? sub out
Harman Kardon AVR320 - preouts, no analog bypass
Outlaw 1050 - preouts, no analog bypass?
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So the only unit that I KNOW does analog bypass AND a subwoofer out (by splitting the analog signal, DSP'ing 1 signal to go to a digital low-pass filter for the sub) is the Denon. I also would like 6-channel decoding, an 80Hz digital crossover for movies, component video switching, and a convenient way to switch between analog bypass and the other modes. This will probably mean a memory for different speaker setups depending on the current source, like the Denon has. Why should my life get more difficult when I just want to switch between DVD and CD?
The Yamaha unit looks close, as I've seen their tech support claim that Effect Off mode uses an analog bypass. However, some people believe otherwise. When I played with a Yamaha RX-V595a, Effect Off still clearly used a high-pass filter on the mains when they were set to "small", in addition to maintaining subwoofer output. That means either:
a) An analog high-pass filter (unlikely)
b) No analog bypass occurs
c) Analog bypass only occurs with Mains set to Large, in which case I don't know if the sub still works
Oh, and I say the AVR320 does not have analog bypass because I asked their email support (also posted in the AVR320 thread):
"The AVR320 does not have the analog bypass feature found in the AVR125 and AVR225. The AVR320 will process all audio through its DSP, with the exception of 6/8channel direct inputs which do not apply any bass management settings. I hope this helps."
I've spent quite awhile doing this research, but I would really appreciate it if some of you could fill in the holes and correct me where I'm wrong. And this forum is really an amazing resource, by the way!
-Cooper B